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at least with maga you know they're dangerous, like a bright colorful snake
conservatives i respect:
- Louis Rossmann
Is he a conservative??? I never would’ve guessed that lol
He said it in one video, but can't remember when. But if you never could've guessed it, then it shouldn't change your opinion on him.
I think there are political views that, even if privately held, should change your opinion of someone. “Conservative” is nebulous, so knowing exactly that much and nothing else about someone’s views doesn’t tell you much in this instance, but I don’t know if that logic holds generally.
Condemning and alienating people who are on the wrong side of an arbitrary ideological line, or are labelled as something undesirable, and offering no reconciliation is only good for two things: further pushing them into their existing convictions, and presenting yourself and like-minded people as the enemy. Being a human is far too complex to evaluate a person's worth based on such simplistic views.
I don't think Rossmann gives a rat's ass about what you think of him nor that harsh words would sway him, but if you are ready to condemn and oppose him for identifying as a conservative, you are also saying, in effect, that the consumer rights activism he and his employer have done is not enough for you.
JerryRigEverything builds offroad wheelchairs. He also owns a Cybertruck as part of his business. Admiral James Watkins was a devout catholic and conservative officer in the US Navy. He also advocated for military personnel with AIDS under his command and strongly opposed politicians that labelled the disease as an act of God. Reducing a person's worth to just one harmful thing necessitates ignoring the good they've done.
Changing your opinion about someone does not necessitate condemning and alienating them. As I stated, “conservative” is not a clear term, so it doesn’t make sense to form an opinion based on that, which I think is the arbitrary line you’re talking about. Specific views, such as the view that people with AIDS deserve treatment and dignity, are valid to form an opinion on.
I also don’t think rossman gives a rats ass what I think of him, but that’s true of every public figure and I still form opinions of them (as do you, given that you respect him). I am not ready to condemn and oppose him, and I don’t know whether you’re just fleshing out your statement or whether you got that from my comment, but I specified that there’s nothing to change your opinion on in this instance.
I don’t really think we disagree, based on your reply. I was intending to add nuance to your statement, by noting that it doesn’t apply universally, not to contradict it for this case.
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Shit meme. Everyone everywhere needs to adopt a policy of zero capitulation to reactionaries and their framings.
To any conservatives for the rest of time: fuck top category conservatives just as much. Yeah you're just as bad as the bottom category, but you're just enough of a fucking snake to hide your worst impulses and blend in with polite society.
i really wanna ask some questions, genuinely in good faith as it seems you may misunderstand how politics affects real peoples lives.
would you respect them if they were racist, just not around you?
would you respect them if they were queerphobic, just not around you?
would you respect them if they voted for, and supported, politicians willing and ready to take away your rights or the rights of others?
why would you want to interact with someone who disagrees with peoples rights to live?
this is assuming you are a member of some minority (queer, of color, etc.) if you arent, then i guess i understand.
This is a revamping of the meme about gay people that was complaining about looking colorful, caring about LGBTQ rights, mentioning their partners in conversation the same way straight people do, and maybe having a lisp? It’s thankfully been a long time since I saw it.
You’re right, but I don’t think the OP actually means it, they’re just trying to flip the script on conservatives. I’m not the OP though, so I could be wrong
idk if that makes it worse, but it definately doesnt make it better.
The problem is that I don't respect "conservatives" if they continue to substantially support abusive politicians, organizations, and groups. I don't care if you're respectful and not personally bigoted; there's no excuse for supporting disrespectful and bigoted actions. Unless you admit your sins and agree to not support Nazis anymore, then your sympathy will never be enough.
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Lol conservatives aren't worth your respect
"Conservatives I respect:
The ones that stay quiet about their true feelings about how they believe that various groups of people they don't like don't deserve human rights" 🤡
Nah. I've tried to stay friends with conservatives before. They eventually reveal their most inhumane thoughts sooner or later.
I don't want to be friends with someone who wants my trans friends "purged", believes that women are inferior, thinks that people protesting for their rights is "terrorism", etc.
No fucking thank you.
yeah this is where i'm at. they both voted for me to not have rights so fuck 'em, they're the same to me.
"Kind" Germans vs bad Germans during the Holocaust:
There were some 800.000 Germans arrested for "resistance activities" during WW2, and tens of thousands were executed for it.
Now, I'm not saying those were all good people, but there were at least some good Germans. But terrifyingly few.
They weren't "moderate" conservatives, they were mostly leftists
That's probably almost entirely true. I'm willing to bet the worst thing a lot of those 800k did was "be communist".
Remember kids be like the Bohemians (the couple who resisted the Nazis during WW2)
Conservatives i can respect:
• Joe Biden
Joseph Robinette "Civil Asset Forfeiture" Biden, Jr? nah fuck that guy he can rot
I have no sympathy for Genocide Joe
i think the point they're trying to make is that people who make politics their entire personality suck, and at least for me that's true regardless of what side of the political spectrul they're on. but even if they're chill outside of that and you can have a good conversation with a conservative, the fact they agree with people that want me dead is still gonna leave a sour taste in my mouth
hell, those more reasonable conservatives might be worth a 5 minute talk. i've seen people who vote conservative for purely economic reasons and never really thought about the whole killing minorities thing, and when i explained it to them they reconsidered
though to be clear, that's where i'm from. you cannot make the same argument for trump voters
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Conservatives think that other people having basic human rights somehow alienates their's. There is no respectable conservative, since I can't respect someone that thinks in this way.
For #1, you're missing the bullet point:
- "Acts nice to my face, but doesn't consider me a human being (and votes accordingly)"
conservatives i respect: -didnt vote for trump -arent ignorant or uninformed
I think they are endangered species or already extinct (dead Catholic Boomers with open minds raising latchkey Gen X children).
Conservatives I respect = None, conservativism is basically selfishness.
there's some for a political ideology that considered any change to be dangerous, and we should be cautious regarding trying new things...
and that is what "conservatism" sounds like.
but they aren't conservatives, they are reactionaries, they want to push the whole system to the right.
I said it before: those people are not conservative. They don't want to conserve anything, they don't want to caution against change or are stuck in their old ways.
Those people are reactionaries who want to return to a past that never really was, and fascists who think a strong leader will hurt the right people.
Don't allow them to mask as moderates of any color. Don't accept that being racist, sexist, corrupt and proudly admitting to be it are moderate, sensible, acceptable positions instead of radical extremist ones.
Lmao the conservatives I respect aren't republicans, they see trump for what he is and have been voting biden
Capitalism leads to monopoly and imperialism. Fascist are the useful idiots of empire. Both political parties in Yankee dumb dumb land are right wing. This has all to do with socioeconomics and the populist movements in merikkka. This meme is an example of how lazy children think. Liberals will not save you they are controlled opposition. Fuck Nancy pelosi. We are too busy slaving away to have friends anyways.
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