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    [–] [email protected] 81 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The idea of a console where the manufacturer doesn’t have total control over the OS is ludicrous, no way a Windows box is ever going to “kill” the deck

    [–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

    Yeah, Sony lost me when they broke my Linux install and degraded the DVD playback functions, within six months of me buying my PS2. Similarly, the last "good" smartphone I had, was the Palm Treo (650p\680p\Centro); since then, I've never had a single phone that granted direct hardware access & allowed unloading/sideloading the OS by default.

    Manufacturers want deep control these days; way beyond mere root permissions.

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    [–] [email protected] 61 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    And Arch is right fucking there

    [–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

    And Holo ISO if you don't want to fully configure.

    [–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    The internet connection is my limiting factor. 15GB or on lunch/break. 😭

    Portal is crisp and clean.

    I heard Fallout 4 is good.

    OOTP could run on an XP machine from 2003.

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    [–] [email protected] 60 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Also funny how they keep adding shit no one needs that just makes battery life worse

    Yes let me drop $700 on a handheld so I can play it plugged in on the couch

    [–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Remember Game Gear? Pepperidge farm remembers

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    [–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)
    [–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I think the rog ally had Microsoft word (maybe even just office) come with it.

    [–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

    Cool, so now it's a "work laptop" and I can justify expensing it !!

    Only reason why they'd put Word on it IMO

    [–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

    Oh yeah not very usefull there. But at least it can be uninstalled I guess...

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    [–] [email protected] 44 points 1 year ago

    Fucking hell the "Steam Deck killers" is a stupid trend.

    They really do hit you with all the specs that are supposed to put the deck to shame, but the reveal their ludicrous price, completely ignoring the major advance the things has.

    That's a simple trick, but cheap and dirty, so it's pretty garbo anyway. No respect for handhelds themselves or anyone reviewing them or taking any sponsorship that do anything like that.

    [–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Imho, the Steam Deck will be the only one with a really long product lifetime. Simply because Valve's main business is selling games, not consoles. The Deck makes people buy more/different games. Worked on me. I haven't played much in the last decade because I was too tired to play at my PC after work. Now I can play everywhere. Couch, bed, car, .. Basically every other manufacturer makes money exactly once by selling such a console. As soon as their marketing is done with it, they'll release a new revision and you won't see a single software update for the old model ever again.

    [–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

    Yup, there are a number of features for Valve to do this right:

    supporting linux frees them of the eternal windows shackles that pc-gaming has become, diversifies steam as a multi-platform service (not just pc gaming juggernaut) without encroaching on anyone else's terrain, and gets their user's enormous libraries out into the world, potentially enabling new kinds of games in the future.

    [–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Well, but the same is true for brands selling desktops or laptops with windows, where they only make money once on the hardware (and maybe some additional money by installing subscription crapware like mc afee etc.).

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    [–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Wouldn't it be rather simple to install Linux on them though?

    [–] [email protected] 62 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    You could, but what makes Steam Deck special is that it's SteamOS is built specifically for that hardware, enabling functions you wouldn't normally see in gaming PC hardware.

    [–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    The difference is that if the device comes with Steam OS, then it's ready to go out of the box and you're assured the hardware has good Linux support.

    If it's originally a Windows device then you may have to jump through additional hoops to get everything working. Also you'll have to deal with allowing other OS's in the BIOS if it's locked.

    Also you've paid Microsoft for a license you won't use.

    The flip side is that there's work to make a native Steam OS build for 3rd party portable devices:

    https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/06/the-linux-coders-turning-the-rog-ally-and-other-handhelds-into-steam-deck-clones/

    and

    https://chimeraos.org/

    [–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    I suppose. But then why not steam deck?

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    [–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Totally agree.

    Not only they can’t sell the device at a loss, but also they have to use Windows for driver compatibility.

    What’s holding back the Steam Deck, and the whole gaming on the go, it’s x86. For the rest, it’s x86 plus Windows plus drivers.

    The one to win will be who makes a tightly coupled device that’s also efficient. Apple is good at that, but has nowhere near the catalogue than Steam and lacks a Steamworks SDK.

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    [–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Where are the true killers with arm based chips? And how is the linux version of rosetta 2 doing? Can we run x86 games on arm Linux?

    [–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    And how is the linux version of rosetta 2 doing?

    What? You mean how is the linux version of mac version of qemu? Alive and kicking! Same for box86 and box64. Binary tralsators existed before Apple started making x86 computers.

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    [–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Don't Apple's chips have specific hardware support to make Rosetta 2 as effective as it is? I've been really hoping other manufacturers find a way to do something similar.

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    [–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I thought that valve even allowed other companies to use the steam deck software on their own hardware.

    [–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

    I'm pretty sure its just a linux distro anyone can use, maybe even open source.

    Manufacturers will choose the sweet microsoft money tho they get per device with windows preinstalled.

    [–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

    I think GPD offers SteamOS copies for their devices.

    [–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    That's because normal Linux won't be as optimised but unlike Valve they don't want to put actual work into optimising it.

    [–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

    Less "not optimized", & more "not supported"; IE, accelerations that don't turn on, because companies like Intel, Broadcom, Samsung, & NVidia, have a long history of only giving preferred partner devteams, prerelease hardware access, much less any peeks at unobfuscated firmware.

    [–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    if I don't own any steam games, are any of these other options better than the steam deck? or is steam deck still the way to go for non steam games?

    [–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

    They have better performance, so if you play plugged in or play a game that's not great in Proton you might benefit.

    For unplugged, nobody has yet beat the 5W performance of the Steam Deck

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    [–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

    Not so bad if you can just install another OS to 'em like they were just little mobile computers.

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