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[–] 171 points 1 year ago (4 children)
  • [–] 41 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Wow, I was wrong I thought people changed their minds based on evidence. But based on this evidence, I don’t believe people change their minds based on evidence.

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  • [–] 52 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    As I grew up, I was taught to be factual, accurate, and helpful

    All of that has made my life much harder

    Teach your kids to lie, teach them that people want to take adavantage of them, and teach them how not to get caught up in that.

    People aren't convinced with facts, they are convinced with resonating emotional appeals.

    Teach your kids so they don't get crippled by the disadvantage of pathological honesty

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    Does anybody have that pic of the Twitter thread that goes like this:

    People will change their minds if presented with facts

    Research has shown showing people facts opposing their views would actually strengthen those views

    I don't care. I still believe people will change their minds if presented with facts

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  • [+] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)
  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This is why the really good shucksters will try to confuse you and lead you to the thing they want you to believe by making you think it was your own idea. The 101 version of that is commentators "just asking questions" about an obviously false thing.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    The vast majority of people don't base their positions on logic or data, but on vibes.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Facts don't care about your feelings, but your feeling really care about facts.

    In other words, people respond to good stories that they identify with, not boring lists of facts or salient logic.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago

    It's more important to aim for that yourself. It's more beneficial in the long run.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago

    This reminds me of that terrific quote from "The Internet's Own Boy": "Aaron [Swartz] thought he could change the world just by explaining the world very clearly to people."
    What he possibly didn't understand was that the people in power are, indeed, perfectly able to understand the facts, but they can and will simply refuse to do so. Or, as Karl Deutsch once put it so succinctly, and I'm paraphrasing here: "Power means not having to listen."

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yeah, I think that mental illness is called hope.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    This is the type of person who won't change their mind when presented with the appropriate argument with the right facts and data

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    So, I have depression, I start getting depressed again after stopping medications.

    Then my mother was like "Must be the evil spirits" and "You don't need medicine, you need an amulet to stop the evil spirits"

    🤦‍♂️

    No amount of scientific evidence can fix generations of stupidity and possibly lead poisoning...

    This is why the world is so fucked.

    Sure, let me have my mental illness back, thank you.

    (🥲+➰️=💀)

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  • [+] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)
  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Is there a gene somewhere that just add so much chaos? My older brother is a bigoted piece of shit. Like this just cannot be a coincidence.

    Its either something genetic, or maybe lead poisoning.

    I'm honestly starting to doubt if this is even real. Like maybe I'm on some twisted Truman Show or something and everything is part of a script. But then, this exact belief could another sign of "mental illness", assuming if this reality is real. I dont fucking know anymore. Lemmy could be all bots. 🤔

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  • [+] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (11 children)
  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    in reality, when you boil it down, no one could ever get all the data and present accurate facts

    If someone says the Earth is round, are we seriously concerned that enough data has not been collected to consider this an accurate fact?

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  • [+] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    And? So what? We are talking about things of consequences.

    I disagreed with your statement that "no one could ever get all the data and present accurate facts" and sought to use a ubiquitously understood example that is somehow divisive (see: flat-earthers) despite science that's been well understood for hundreds of years making it obviously factual.

    I’d say if you’re arguing over basic objective, a priori truths, you’ve already lost the plot.

    I disagree. I would argue it is "of consequence" if someone is unable to look at the available data and come to the conclusion that the planet we're standing on is round. Especially if that person is in a position of power or influence over others, because their capacity to make rational conclusions from available information is profoundly corrupted. e.g.: They shouldn't be a science teacher at a school because they don't understand even basic scientific principles that are universally understood.

    Claiming I can’t ever prove to you that this case in front of me is green because what even is green is just… dumb.

    Good thing I didn't say that, then!

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It is, in fact approximately round - it's more precisely an oblate spheroid.

    I'd say go as accurate as is relevant to the current situation.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I debated whether or not to call it an oblate spheroid like a huge nerd or just use the "earth is round" shorthand that most people are familiar with. While not perfectly round, I think most people would agree an oblate spheroid is a round shape in the general sense.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    That was actually what I was getting at - there are too many variables in life. Only go as correct as you need to in the moment, and be understanding when others aren't precisely correct either.

    (which I think is what you were getting at, too?)

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    I don't think, my family made clear they hate me because I used to do it a lot when I was young

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago*

    I’ve pushed back against western propaganda on here with direct source information, including leaks of State Dept cables and firsthand accounts from journalists, and people will still accuse you of being a tankie bot for not towing the propaganda line.

    I don’t think they believe the propaganda is more true than the facts. They just don’t care.

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  • [+] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)
  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    What's the significance of "hegel" please? I've not encountered it before

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Yes I have this

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