Automatically creating a shadow account for everyone on Instagram?

Even allowing people to follow that account?

Sounds like they really wanted to push Threads out the door in a big way.

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[–] 379 points 3 years ago (15 children)

Fuck Meta and all but this isn't news. Meta litterally said straight up that they would be doing this before threads ever launched. If you have an instagram account then that is also your threads account. This isn't some conspiracy it's exactly what they told everyone they were doing. It's no diferent than linked accounts for google services.

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  • [–] 102 points 3 years ago

    Yeah this Threads issue is getting into the tin foil delusional territory now. Just as you said. They literally say "well use your Instagram acccount" of you bother to read their disclaimers they literally tell you that they are literally using your Instagram account. It's "Threads by Instagram". When you first log in it ll import all your Instagram contacts and you cna "follow" them. And if they don't have it yet it'll say "you'll follow as soon as they join threads" there is no "Shadow Threads account, because they are using the Instagram account.".

    You can definitely be against threads and Meta. I Personally am not super thrilled about it. But there is way more than enough to hate a out meta and threads without making stuff up.

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  • [–] 34 points 3 years ago (6 children)

    I think the difference is that the Threads user count keeps getting thrown around as an indicator of its success and viability, but it's not a great KPI.

    I do think people are using this "realization" of accounts being automatically created as a conspiratorial gotcha, but it's still important to remind people of this scenario as they evaluate their prospects.

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    [–] 159 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (7 children)

    They’re not creating a shadow account, you’re literally logging in with your instagram account.

    What this post is implying, is that the user numbers are just existing instagram accounts, which doesn’t make sense because in that case they’d have 2 billion users within the first second.

    You can follow/request to follow before the user has actually "created" the account, so they’re lying about which users have done that already, not about how many users they actually have.

    Come at me downvotes

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  • [–] 36 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    Yeah, I signed up for it, they have an option for you to pre-follow people for when they sign up to threads

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  • [–] 15 points 3 years ago

    You can't really follow someone until they've made an account. Threads has an option where you can go into settings and find a list of your Instagram following list. From there, you can make it so you follow certain people as soon as they join Threads.

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    [–] 92 points 3 years ago

    Now we know why it was not launched in EU.

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  • [–] 84 points 3 years ago (31 children)

    Why does everything have to be a conspiracy with some people? Threads literally and directly explains that it uses your Instagram account. They're the same account. Nothing crazy. No magic. No oogie boogie. Just the same account.

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    [–] 81 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    It's not creating a "shadow account", it is literally the same account. Threads is just a different frontend for what already existed with Instagram. And Meta would've been stupid, if they wouldn't have use what they already have.

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  • [–] 69 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    Ah. The Google+ approach to signing up "users".

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    [–] 67 points 3 years ago (12 children)

    I fucking KNEW it.

    35 million users my asshole - they’re just counting existing Instagram accounts.

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  • [–] 52 points 3 years ago* (11 children)

    Pretty sure they’re not. I mean those are instagram accounts, but only those who enabled threads. It’s also at 93 million now.

    Why is it so hard to believe that people download the app and try it out? It’s easy to do, users don’t have to create a new account, the app is number one on the App Store, they’re probably advertising it in instagram, and it’s still just 20% of the instagram userbase.

    Decentralization is nice, but most people don’t care about it and it’s too complicated or annoying to sign up there. Threads is dead simple and people want a Twitter replacement. It’s also "just" a fifth of the Twitter userbase.

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  • [–] 67 points 3 years ago* (3 children)

    ITT: no one who actually went through the sign-up process. It's like a 3 step process. Eventually you get brought to a screen that asks if you want to follow all of your current followers on Instagram. You can choose yes or no to all the people you currently follow, or you can individually select who you want to follow in Threads the people you follow on Instagram. If you select anyone that has not yet activated their Threads account it literally tells you that nothing will happen for now, but if and when the user activates the account, you will follow them if they are public or it will request to follow them if they are private.

    There's no magic happening here. There's no shadow accounts...you use the SAME login for Instagram and Threads. They obviously know when you activate your threads account and it will just show the list of users who have already completed the signup and requested to follow you

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    [–] 56 points 3 years ago (14 children)

    I think something that a lot of the comments are missing here is the fact that threads, Instagram and Facebook all have been migrated from individual accounts to ‘meta’ accounts. I’m certain that we will see this happen with many platforms unless there is a serious shift in data protection laws. I don’t personally think it’s great that it’s the case but that’s just how it is. The meta platform is quite similar to how google migrated YouTube users to google accounts way back in the day. This monolithic structure ensures that they can keep your user data in a more streamlined database. From a sys admin and a business perspective it makes a lot of sense. From a user who doesn’t care and already uses all of those services perspective it makes a lot of sense. From a privacy conscious user perspective it makes no sense. Then again metas platform is in no way for the user who cares how their data is being handled.

    I guess another perspective is talking about interoperability. It kind of feels like they are taking the web3 (I know it’s a loaded term) approach but instead of applying it in a way that allows free development and communication in a way that basically pulls from decentralized/distributed databases you instead get a centralized monolithic model that creates interoperability within their own walled garden.

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    [–] 56 points 3 years ago

    Actually, to Meta's credit here, they do transparently say this when you make an account.

    You can send follow requests to all of your Insta friends, and once they activate a Threads profile, they will see any follow requests they may have gotten.

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  • [–] 52 points 3 years ago (5 children)

    Why would anyone be surprised by this? Zuckerberg would have to be a complete idiot to not use Instagram's existing social graph for Threads.

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    [–] 51 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    They did say "X milions of accounts were ACTIVATED in one day", not "created".

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    [–] 49 points 3 years ago (7 children)

    Thanks for the reminder to delete my Instagram account. Though I've never posted anything there, I've used it to follow some people.

    Is it too much to hope that all of Meta crashes and burns? It's infuriating seeing Meta, and corporations like them, harvest all of our information...

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  • [–] 22 points 3 years ago

    So far Threads has been blocked in the EU because of data privacy concerns. If they don't show that their code is keeping data stored safely and in the EU it will continue being flagged in all appstores.

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  • [–] [S] 23 points 3 years ago* (10 children)

    Hey, don't give them any ideas!

    I've never had a Facebook or Instagram account in my life. But I do use WhatsApp because it's the main way most friends and family communicate (Australia).

    I would not be happy if I found out I suddenly had a Threads account that my friends could follow without me even signing up, just because I use WhatsApp!

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    [–] 31 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    Can we please stop with the misinformation campaign.

    Everyone on here is trying to pat each other on the back by being better than Reddit.

    So far no one on here acts differently from Reddit, no matter how much you guys like to pretend lol.

    “Shadow accounts” lol. It’s literally your instagram account. Threads is built on top of Instagram. None of this is some hidden secret.

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    [–] 31 points 3 years ago

    And now Meta knows when she's having her period, the phone number of her gynecologist, and what period products she buys... thanks to the app spying on her health and fitness, contact, and shopping data.

    #WTF

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  • [–] 24 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Just deleted my Instagram account. I really want go delete Facebook and remove all things Meta from my life.

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    [–] 21 points 3 years ago

    If anyone was bothering to listen, we've discovered that big tech uses a lot of fraud to make themselves look bigger than they are, especially early on

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  • [–] 20 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Sounds like Google+ all over again...

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    [–] 18 points 3 years ago (5 children)

    For what I've heard they reserve existing Instagram usernames so no one can register with your Instagram username, so it's not as bad at it might sound

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    [–] 14 points 3 years ago (5 children)

    Will "deleting" my Instagram account make a difference at all?

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    [–] 14 points 3 years ago

    In fairness, it's pretty smart, IMHO: one of the big difficulties in getting a social site started is getting a critical mass of people together to sustain conversation. Facebook already has plenty of Instagram users, so giving them all access to Threads seems like a pretty good way to bootstrap Threads.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Does anyone remember Google+? When they tried to make everyone with a YouTube account also have a Google+ account.

    Spoiler alert: it didn't go well

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