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LIBERATION IS LIBERTY (lemmygrad.ml)
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[–] 9 points 3 years ago (3 children)

I haven't seen such talking points in polish media, though I'm not that emersed in it. A Polish minister did say Ukraine isn't thanking Poland enough some time ago, but aside from a map conservapedia pulled out from somewhere and completely lied/misunderstood what it says, that's it

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  • [–] 5 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Yeah, it's something I see popping up from time to time and it annoys me every time.

    It almost feels like a losing battle, because "No, Poland isn't going to reclaim its pre-1939 territories like it's a cored province in a map game" never sticks, and a few weeks later someone goes and makes a reference to it again.

    Support for such a thing isn't even widespread among the far-right opposition, while the media, from lib to mainstream fash are all overwhelmingly positive towards Ukraine and eager to sabre-rattle against Russia.

    What Poland does do however, is try to expand its regional influence. Especially in the Baltics the Belarusian opposition (with the hope of them getting into power eventually).

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

    as an aside, what I was referencing is this image:

    A map of Ukraine (blue), with Poland(yellow) and Russia(red) also in the in the picture, some western territory claimed by the current Ukrainian Government is colored in yellow stripes, while some of the eastern labeled with red stripes

    which is followed by:

    Russian Foreign Intelligence Service (FIS) stated that the Polish military’s priority “combat tasks” would include the gradual seizure of control over strategic facilities in West Ukraine. Poland discussed with the Biden regime an action to “reunite” with West Ukraine.

    (The entire paragraph has no sources or references)

    The image has a convenient label however which I will translate:

    [yellow stripes] This territory the Russians want to give Poland

    [red stripes] Territory which Russia wants to annex

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

    Yeah, I know. The same map keeps popping out from time to time since about 2015. I think it originates from some LDPR guy.

    After some digging, it originates from 2014:

    TVP Info, 23 April 2014 "State Duma to the Polish MFA: Let's Partition Ukraine" supposedly from a letter from Zhirinovsky. - He was unhinged enough to be seen making those claims and the west could be seen using those as proof Russia was out to get Ukraine from day 1. Genuine proposals or propaganda? Who knows. The war did indeed happen and claims that Poland is gonna march into Lviv are still showing up from time to time, in spite of them being frankly unlikely.

    Additional context: Poland was ruled by libs back then... but very atlanticist ones that still had ambitions to for example overthrow the government of Belarus and indeed Ukraine (pre-Maidan), so while less reactionary, state media had still a heavy baggage of bias in foreign policy questions.

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    • [–] 4 points 3 years ago

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