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Edit: NOTE, I am the receiver of the texts.

So many people asking me to have my wife do something different on her end.

Beloved, she is on iPhone because she doesn't want to do anything "weird." She is texting from her phone number using her texting app. That's what's going to happen.

Now, why can't I get iMessage on my android phone? If it's just a messenger app why not make it available for Android?

I'd use it.

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[–] [email protected] 118 points 1 month ago (1 children)

SMS/MMS has really low file size limits, and iPhones may downscale a little more aggressively than required.

Just pick an internet based messaging service. I like Signal, but they all work.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 month ago (4 children)

The next version of iOS should add support for RCS which should allow for cross platform larger images as well.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 month ago (2 children)

To be far, apple has had iMessage since 2011 and no one cared about RCS until it was adopted on Android in 2019.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago (1 children)

To be additionally fair, Android still has phones out there in use that still dont have the RCS feature, and never will because those phones are no longer supported.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The same is true of iPhones

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Because imessage is proprietary and apple is against it being publicly available and a standard.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (3 children)

(So are Google’s extensions to RCS)

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (2 children)

RCS from what I can tell still has some significant limitations, like the version common on Android having some Google proprietary extensions it's not clear if other vendors will fully support. I'd still recommend something like Signal to most people, though RCS improves the experience for those not using that.

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[–] [email protected] 84 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Its due to compression of the video in order to fit on a MMS message, which is very small. Android uses RCS as a new message standard that can send bigger files but Apple has yet to add it to their OS. Its similar to how Apple uses iMessage to do the same, however this is not a standard and is locked to only apple devices.

Apple is supposedly adding support for RCS during the new iOS update but until then you can use a different messaging app to send better/larger files.

I recommend Signal as it is easy to sign up and start using while also being private.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago

+1 for Signal. I converted everyone in my friends and family circle to it ..except one person, but I just ignore their texts.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

+1 signal fills the gap perfectly

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I like and use signal, but of course the problem is convincing someone else to start using it in order to send you a message.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'd hope that's not terribly hard when the people in question are married to each other.

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 month ago

So many people asking me to have my wife do something different on her end. Beloved, she is on iPhone because she doesn’t want to do anything “weird.”

Assuming using a third-party messaging app is "weird", then she can't send you video with acceptable quality. That's how it is.

She can't fix that. You can't fix that. None of the readers here can fix that unless they work at Apple. This may improve in the future when Apple adopts RCS, but there's a lot that real-world implementations of RCS do that isn't in the standard, so the full details of interoperability are uncertain until we see it in the wild.

Now, why can’t I get iMessage on my android phone?

Because Apple doesn't want you to. Apple wants situations like this one to pressure people to buy iPhones because that's apparently easier for some people than agreeing on a messaging app.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Anything over MMS gets compressed insane amounts.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I have an iPhone and whenever my Android-owning friend sends me something, it’s a tiny thumbnail of a photo. So yeah, goes both ways.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

The trick is to send a link to the photo or video instead of the actual file. This is also how iPhone users can use FaceTime with people on other platforms.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That wouldn't be an issue today if Apple had started supporting RCS, the replacement for the old SMS/MMS system years ago like every Android phone. Instead of trying to strangle it by acting like iMessage on iOS was the only solution.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (6 children)

RCS has been around since 2008 and got Universal Profile specifications in 2016.

It took Google until 2019 to get RCS out, and they include proprietary Google extensions that may or may not be supported by other providers, further complicating rollout of RCS.

They're genuinely not somehow way better in this regard.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

It's because Apple has refused to adopt new messaging standards like RCS (not that Google is doing that much of a better job), but it's purposefully broken interoperability to force people into buying into product ecosystems (iPhone vs. Android) to make you stick with one and get stuck on it.

It's stupid anti-competitive and I freakin' hate it.

Literally doesn't have to be this way, it's a choice (mostly by Apple, but once again doesn't mean Google is better).


https://www.theverge.com/2024/6/15/24178470/apple-rcs-support-wwdc-announcement-android-imessage

Apple was largely forced to support RCS in response to the mounting pressure from global regulators and competing companies. That may help explain the somewhat disgruntled approach to announcing its rollout in iOS 18.


https://www.tomsguide.com/how-to-switch-on-rcs-messaging-in-ios-18

Here's a walkthrough to ensure RCS is enabled on your wife's iPhone, once iOS 18 drops in the next month or so.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

A lot of RCS is using Google Jibe, it’s one of the ways they were able to roll it out so fast not necessarily with carrier support. I can’t fault them too much for not immediately embracing it. Based on the Toms Hardware link it looks like they are depending on carrier hubs. For me that means I may not get support for a long time as an MVNO user.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (4 children)

The Google proprietary extensions in their implementation of RCS is honestly pretty crappy imho as well. Neither of these companies are "good guys" in terms of RCS standards.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Ah, so Google is taking the Microsoft approach to embrace and extend, but don't share. Gross.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago

Don't forget to add in the primary reason they don't want to implement it is exactly because of comment's like OPs, because it makes it look like Android phones are the problem. Most people assume that it's because it's an android it doesn't work right, and so everyone should just have iPhones. Why fix what is already great marketing for them, even if it is a complete lie?

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 month ago (3 children)

The real reason: Apple intentionally doesn't support the open protocols that send pics and videos to non-Apple devices. These protocols are a decade old and work great. They use a proprietary protocol instead, which they will not share with other phone manufacturers.

What the average iPhone user thinks: Apple is better than Android!

It's pretty dumb.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You both use Signal, problem solved.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Me and my wife do this and its pretty much the only person we talk to on there.

Its got some nice features to keep track of images and such. I was surprised she went for it really, usually 99% of the ideas I mention to her get turned down lol

Oh forgot to add, we also have android and iOS.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago (6 children)

The answer is as others have stated appl not supporting the open standard RCS.

I will elaborate with apple are deliberately dragging their feet supporting standards as a deliberate attempt to put social pressure on you to buy an iphone.

an audience member asked Apple CEO Tim Cook for some tech support. “I can’t send my mom certain videos,” he said; she used an Android device, which means she can't access Apple’s iMessage. Cook’s now-infamous response: “Buy your mom an iPhone.”

The Apple Antitrust Case and the ‘Stigma’ of the Green Bubble

The solutions others have suggested of installing other messaging apps like signal will work but I will suggest another; Buy your wife an Android.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Why are you still using sms in 2024?....

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (4 children)

I'm not OP but I might as well be. My family has a group chat that exists almost exclusively to send pics/videos of the kids to each other. It's a mixed group of android/iOS, so the videos come through with 12 pixels. I have begged and pleaded for every key to switch to telegram, GroupMe, Gchat, Facebook... ANYTHING!!

But they're all on iPhone because they specifically don't want to be tweaking or customizing anything in their phones.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Apple doesn't do RCS. This should be changing soon, but for now you should be using another messaging app, because everything you send is unencrypted and shittier quality

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)
[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago

Sending multimedia via traditional text messaging uses the MMS service, which is ideal for very low resolution images, like sub megabyte, I didn't even know it could support videos! Wild.

I suggest you add her on something like Discord, or WhatsApp, LINE, whatever works for you, and send each other multimedia that way :-)

Also depending on your provider you may incur lower costs and faster load times, too.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You'll need a third party messaging app. Like Signal or WhatsApp.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah, why the hell is OP using SMS?

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

signal is the way

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Apple dragged their feet for years in implementing RCS.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

Send the video over a messenger instead?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

I think everyone has explained the how and why, but not any real solutions that don't involve using a completely different application. I don't have an iPhone in front of me, but with Android you can share as a link to Google Photos instead of sending the picture/video directly. I am pretty sure you can do something similar with iCloud. Have her try the share as iCloud link instead.

Update: I just tested it. I had them open up Photos, go to the image/video, tap the share button, and then if you scroll down a tiny bit there is a share as iCloud link. I was able to view it just fine on my Android phone.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

Messaging between iPhones uses iMessage and messaging between android probably uses RCS, both of which do not have the limitations of MMS, which is a limit of around 3.5 MB for most carriers. “Texting” pictures and videos from iPhone to android or vice versa will likely use MMS, hence the blurry media. Until Apple joins the party, the solution is to use another app like WhatsApp, telegram, signal, etc.

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