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[–] 90 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (10 children)

I have a suspicion that Klingons would consider not being your true self dishonorable, so of course they'd be accepting of trans people.

edit: It looks like there's a Romulan petaQ among us. Your bigotry will not serve you well here.

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  • [–] [S] 39 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Probably. I also believe that they would truly honor someone who went through a difficult, painful journey in order to realize - and become - who they really are.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    They would sing songs of their struggle and subsequent conquest and glory!

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Some day, we’ll get a Trek series that treats LGBTQ folx as people rather than set-pieces, and, perhaps, we will hear those songs…

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    I named my cat Dax after Jadzia. He's a boy and we kept his first name from the adoption centre, so now he's Nelson Dax - I thought about this very scene when we chose the name. Such a heartwarming exchange

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    If there are any trans people here, did that scene mean a lot to you when you saw it?

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Both of my teenage children and I happen to be non-binary. The scene in Discovery where Adira is semi-asleep at a console and Culber comes in using the wrong pronouns to refer to Adira, and Stamets corrects him and tells him Adira uses they/them pronouns, and Culber shifts seamlessly into it and the two of them have an entire conversation about them...that scene legit had me squeeing. I'd never seen such an exchange happen in any show, and it was perfection. It was meant to show well-meaning allies who struggle with gender-neutral pronouns how simple they are to use and how meaningful and important it is to honor them because the people who use them are important.

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  • [–] [S] 15 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    I am neither trans, nor would I ever presume to speak on behalf of trans people. The reason I posted this is because, over the years, this specific meme has been presented repeatedly as evidence that Klingons are excepting of trans folx.

    As such, I think it’s safe to assume that, yes, it carries meaning of (at least some) importance.

    In that, I hope my own presentation here is thusly interpreted as an expression of goodwill.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I guess I was more hoping to hear people's stories about seeing that and what it meant to them when they first saw it. I like hearing how Star Trek inspires people and makes them feel more accepted.

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  • [–] [S] 10 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Of course, sure. Sorry, I just wanted to clarify my motivation for posting, not to pre-empt anyone else from sharing!

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Your post was appreciated by all, I'm sure.

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Awww ❤️

    Except for the stan I seem to have picked up. Downvotes everything of mine. Given the posts/comments they dont hit, I suspect they’re on either sh.it just.works or hexbear based on a pattern analysis of which instances I post in and which instances are defederated from them.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I read a book about the realization that 50% of other people won't like you, won't like what you say, your style or whatever. That's true to life and always good to have in your mind, so you don't let everything get on a personal level to you.

    But there's always that one special idiot that may also stan you.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    When I first saw this, I was in a different point in my life and didn't know who I was (I only knew I was angry and miserable), and I loved that Kor immediately accepted her. It made sense to me. I don't know if it was subconscious or not, I'll probably never know.

    But I know I really love this scene now, and I'm grateful to the show writers and producers for including it, especially after learning about the uphill battle they faced to integrate themes like this. Inclusion matters and makes a difference, even if stupid assholes complain. It's a lovely scene, and I'm forever grateful.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    So apparently this is a trans meme...

    I was confused for a while

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  • [–] [S] 31 points 2 years ago* (11 children)

    It is. Dax was at one point in male when Kor met him then Dax got a new host that was female, and Kor, without hesitation, accepted her.

    It may have been a bit oblique (it was the mid-90s), but this is the essence of accepting trans folk: accepting people for who they are, not your preconceptions of what they are.

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  • [+] 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)
  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago

    I'm sure your memory is correct, but I think it's missing a major part of the issue. Trans issues weren't discussed, so you weren't shown the bigotry that was hidden away. It's like for black people, the majority didn't show their bigotry until they were asking for equality. When they were "in their place" you just go about your life like normal and it's not a point of discussion.

    That said, a lot of the anti-trans movement is created artificially to use as a target to distract voters. It's a fake issue they can purposefully misrepresent so their voters ignore the actual harm they're doing to them.

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  • [–] [S] 11 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    I get where you’re coming from, but, anti-trans hate has been around for centuries. Probably longer.

    Now, during the 90s, gay/lesbian advocacy was the big deal. And, honestly, the heteros got upsetteros over just that. So, trans issues were… well… unfairly delayed as an issue we all thought (at the time) should come after the mainstream could handle the simple idea of boys kissing in public without being immediately hate-crimed.

    I’m on board with thinking that this was the wrong approach. There’s a little bit about this, but, I think we should’ve gone in a lot more fervently and headstrong, rather than pussyfooting around on, begging the bigots to like us, as we did at the time.

    Nonetheless, here we are now.

    And defining my age?

    And I feel, when the dogs begin to smell her… will she smell alone?

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago

    I'm a similarly aged and gendered human.

    There is research out there somewhere that confirms the commenter's memory. I can't find it on a whim unfortunately, I'll post if I can find it. From what I recall from the research (I'm sure I'm butchering it): In the 80s and 90s trans people were a lot more accepted. At some point when certain monied bigots saw the writing on the wall that they were losing the fight of gay and lesbian hate they started a campaign to vilify trans people.

    Yes there were always assholes and prejudice, but it's only in the past 20 years that trans hate became a calling card of demagogues. It really was more accepted in the 90s.

    In no way do I want to minimize the awful way trans people are treated, regardless of age. I'm just trying to remember some research I read once.

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