In case anyone is interested in an alternative, I personally use LanguageTool because it is open source and works very well.
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Yeah Grammarly was selling all your data LONG before the AI showed up.
Funny how some people are only nervous now that their data might be used to train a language model. I was always more worried about spooks! :)
Companies selling consumer data for profit and marketeering: i sleep
Companies using consumer data to train AI models:
R E A L S H I T
True. Companies sell our data to third parties since forever, but some people are worried about it being used to train machine learning models? I'm far more concerned by people using it than AI.
It's because certain companies are stirring the pot and manipulating. They want people mad so they can put restrictions on training AI, to stifle the open source scene.
OpenAI moment
They even named their company specifically to make it harder for open source ai to name themselves. Thats some dedication.
I see you posted this article to 4 communities. According to the comments on this post if you use the cross post function (in the default web frontend), it will only show once in the feeds instead of 4 times (which can be a bit annoying).
Thanks
EDIT: post link and aclaration regarding the UI
I did use the cross-post function. Most apps do not currently acknowledge this function which might explain why the article has appeared to you multiple times.
Thanks! It seems this issue is harder than I thought :)
What is this healthy communication?! Aren't you supposed to go into the "what the fuck did you just say to me" ramble?
How much do you have to pay for them to not monitor your every keystroke, including all your IP and passwords?
Oh, that's their business model, right.
Even as someone who declines all cookies where possible on every site, I have to ask. How do you think they are going to be able to improve their language based services without using language learning models or other algorithmic evaluation of user data?
I get that the combo of AI and privacy have huge consequences, and that grammarly's opt-out limits are genuinely shit. But it seems like everyone is so scared of the concept of AI that we're harming research on tools that can help us while the tools which hurt us are developed with no consequence, because they don't bother with any transparency or announcement.
Not that I'm any fan of grammarly, I don't use it. I think that might be self-evident though.
Framing this solely as fear is extremely disingenuous. Speaking only for myself: I'm not against the development of AI or LLMs in general. I'm against the trained models being used for profit with no credit or cut given to the humans who trained it, willing or unwilling.
It's not even a matter of "if you aren't the paying customer, you're the product" - massive swaths of text used to train AIs were scraped without permission from sources whose platforms never sought to profit from users' submissions, like AO3. Until this is righted (which is likely never, I admit, because the LLM owners have no incentive whatsoever to change this behavior), I refuse to work with any site that intends to use my work to train LLMs.
They're honestly doing you a favor. Grammarly is terrible. I've seen some of my friends whose first language isn't English use it to try to clean their grammar up and it makes some really weird, often totally mistaken choices. Usually they would have been better off leaving it as they wrote it.
I wonder if ProWritingAid is doing the same now. I always preferred them over Grammarly.
Think about this every time you or a project you contribute to is using Microsoft GitHub instead of an open source offering (or self-hosted) or folks contributing to your permissive-licensed project living elsewhere while using Microsoft GitHub Copilot. All your projects and that force-push history clean up now belong to the Microsoft-owned AI that sells itself back to the developers that wrote all the code it trained on—no compensation, no recognition.
Any scope of privacy conscious users banding together to create a shell corp to pay for a business account? 500 users sounds doable. More the merrier, yeah?
So some people want to use the advantages of AI that ONLY works properly because of all the user data collected... But refuse to contribute.
I am perfectly fine with providing training data for AI, and have actually spent hours contributing to various projects. However, it is super scummy for a company to collect and use sensitive user data (literally a keylogger) not only without any form of communication or consent, but where the only way to opt out is to pay.
Stuff like this should always be opt-in. It looks better on the company and builds trust.
Ideally, offer payment for users who opt-in to have their writing scraped and used to train AI.
Seems like this could easily be a win-win situation if they gave it a few seconds of thought.
Why do you assume everyone wants this garbage? We were fine without it.
Uhh umm... You are the product! Aaand... Shill for greedy corporations!
I remember when Google said quite openly that they'd give us email addresses with more storage than we'd ever dreamed for life and in return, they'd scan the first few sentences of all messages and use them to target ads at us and we were all like, "Sounds fair."
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