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[Vote] guess I gotta make a post for this over here. Do we defederate with exploding-heads.com (sh.itjust.works)

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My primary argument is that they post hateful content and covid conspiracies and it is irresponsible to platform this by including it in our federation. Secondly we already got rid of lemmygrad. Thirdly, there's little to be lost in the defederation given the type of stuff being posted over there. Do as thou wilt

Aye and nays pls

Edit: putting the screencaps I posted below here for clarity

I should probably put a content warning so

CW: homophobia, transphobia, and just being a shithead.

Edit 2: let's try not to downvote people just saying nay. Unless they are making bad faith arguments we should respect their opinions even if we disagree.

Edit 3: Imma be real with y'all, this has been a real shitshow. We gotta work out some kinda single voting infrastructure because the ayes and Nays isn't efficient at all.

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[–] MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 years ago (15 children)

I'm going to agree with contextual idiot

Nay

Mainly because we ourselves have felt what it is like to be defederation because of others on our instance. There could very well be normal upstairs people hosted on that instance that never interacts with their instances community itself.

If we defederate we risk them getting stuck in an eco chamber and potentially become exactly like the rest of them. And then that also brings up the same issue. The ones that are already bigots, if put into an echo chamber are going to think they are correct and are going to become bigger bigots. We won't ever see it but the people in their day to day life will.

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[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 years ago (14 children)

And you think letting them take part in discussions here won't make users outside their instance convert? The more they can spread their message the more people join their cause and more join then leave. Sure some are already over there and don't believe their bs, there's a lot less of them than potential converts on Lemmy at large.

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[–] aspseka@sh.itjust.works -1 points 3 years ago (5 children)

Don't be afraid of their "arguments".

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[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 years ago (4 children)

What I don't want is to see more people join them, I know I'm not at risk, but some people are.

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[–] aspseka@sh.itjust.works -2 points 3 years ago (3 children)

So you'd rather they join there because that's their only option and get them submerged in that bubble?

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[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 years ago (2 children)

They won't join then if they don't see the message in the first place.

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[–] Derproid@sh.itjust.works -4 points 3 years ago (1 child)

This is a delusion. Everyone knows how deep the youtube rabbit hole can take you.

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[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 years ago

Well then, buy YouTube from Google and remove the content from there... Or you know, do your part where you're able to.

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[–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works -1 points 3 years ago (7 children)

But are they coming to this instance in any significant capacity? If they keep their discussions/trolling off of this instance then I don't see any benefit. Individuals can already block the instance on their own accounts.

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[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 years ago (6 children)

They've started:

https://sh.itjust.works/comment/293823

Same tactic as always too, there's nothing special about Lemmy that will prevent the alt-right and tankies from spreading if no measures are taken. We've already defederated from the tankies instance, why not do the same with the other extreme?

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[–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 years ago (5 children)

Is it just the 1 person trolling so far then? Because that's all I've seen your links. If it's one troll, then the admins here can just ban them and move on.

As the saying goes, 1 is chance, 2 is a coincidence, 3+ is a pattern

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[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 years ago (4 children)

One trolling, one recruiting.

That's exactly how it begins on every single platform. How long do we wait before applying knowledge learned from all other social medias?

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[–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago (3 children)

Seems a bit early to resort to the slippery slope fallacy.

I'll reiterate my stance: there doesn't seem to be an extended history of trolling from them (yet), and there's nothing stopping you or anyone else here from blocking their content from your own account. If that changes and they start trolling or breaking rules here, then I'll definitely support defederating from them, but at the moment that seems to be overkill.

Meanwhile, I'll point out that there's spots in this thread where you have been less than civil over mere differences in opinion. That is not how you get people to side with you.

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[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 years ago (2 children)

Is it really a slippery slope fallacy if the same story repeats itself on all social media platforms that don't censor the alt-right? What makes Lemmy special that would prevent it?

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[–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works -2 points 3 years ago (1 child)

You do realize you're making the exact same point as anti-LGBT advocates, right?

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[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 years ago

Eh what? 😂

Find me a study showing that sexual orientation is contagious and spreads through social media like extremist opinions do. Please, humour me!

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