masterspace comments on Apple

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I don't care if anyone has a Xiaomi, Oneplus, Samsung, etc. Each brand is using a modified version of Android, and they chose to be compatible with each other. But for example the "blue vs green bubble" drama is a thing specifically because of Apple locking their unsuspecting users into a closed ecosystem. And it sure isn't Android's fault for not being compatible with it.

The more power a company like this gains, the worse will it be for the whole industry.

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[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago (21 children)

Yes, but make a criticism of Apple's monopolistic behaviour online and you'll immediately have a million brain dead Apple fans screaming at you about how iPhones have to work exactly the way they do now or the world will fall apart.

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[–] EntropyPure@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Seems the other way around works just as well. Say you like an Apple product and attract someone who goes „brainless Apple fanboy“ or „Google does it better because freedom“

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[–] Mango@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

No, we don't like Google either.

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[–] ignism@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Oh the Apple hate is much worse than the Apple love.

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[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca -1 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

Lol no one is responding to posts about how much you like a feature with hate, unless you're trolling the wrong community or youre the person in OPs post, saying that in response to someone making a criticism of a corporation's monopolistic behaviour?

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[–] EntropyPure@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Clearly we have been to different parts of the internet, cause that is definitely not what I observed in the past years.

It’s dumb either way. Google and Apple are publicly traded companies and therefore never have the end user as top priority. Satisfying them is just means to please shareholders, their top priority. And if it is not that, then it is pleasing some governing body (e.g. China, India) to expand market access and grow. For the shareholders again.

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[–] Tarcion@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 years ago

Yeah, obviously hyperbole, but there is a kind of console fanboy-ism around smartphones which is honestly bizarre.

And while I'd rather Apple not be so shitty about proprietary everything, it's also not the end of the world.

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[–] dulce_3t_decorum_3st@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (14 children)

That’s not true at all

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[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 years ago (13 children)

It's been my experience and evidently it's been OPs and everyone who upvoted this.

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[–] MeetInPotatoes@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago (12 children)

I think it's being pointed out that people who share your experience generally have a pretty extreme lack of awareness which everyone else can easily notice.

An announcement about a new iPhone or iOS feature will inevitably have Android supporters bashing on literally every single person that owns an iPhone, making childish character judgments about strangers.

If an announcement about Android happens though, you do not get a bunch of iPhone users looking to criticize the Android fans at all. We just don't care to go through such a pointless exercise that is willfully engaging in extremely poor logic. It's raw and unfiltered stupidity to generalize about any huge group of consumers solely based on a product they use. Use whatever you like.

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[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago (11 children)

The frustration with IOS new features, is not the feature, it is that apple claims it is revolutionary or apple exclusive...and Android people are like WTF we had that 10 years ago.

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[–] natebluehooves@pawb.social 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

But the implementation is often a bit more stable or user friendly. Those features often do not light the world on fire because the user experience is not there yet, and google moves on too fast to finish the feature.

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[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago

It is more user friendly because they strip out any options a power user might use.

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[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago

Bump to transfer files, worked fine 12 years ago. Adhoc wifi no issue. Google Wallet worked fine instead of Apple pay, and so on. its just nobody cares, except IOS users, as they think Apple pay is somehow better. Even a search says Apple's "Revolution" of payment. if you notice the only difference between the rest of phone and PC market compared to Apple's is the use of Adjectives in front of the software or device, and that is enough to convince the average person that it is better. Samsung has DEX that turns your flagship phone into a linux desktop (less linuxy after version 9 and more dumbed down now) When you dock it. So Monitor , keyboard Mouse, external drive use with full desktop experience, but nobody cares and Samsung doean't flaunt it like Apple marketing would...but maybe they should.

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[–] MeetInPotatoes@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (7 children)

That's more specific than the average criticism, and while valid...why would anyone direct their ire for a company's marketing towards their consumers? I can't even count the amount of time I've heard folks online claim that Apple users only buy the phone for the image and because of their marketing etc. iPhones have been around for 17 years now, and people just like them. The standard complaint is that Apple fans are clueless etc. but people spend all their lives managing limited resources. It's wildly ignorant to assume they can't choose products for themselves. The simple fact is that iPhones are worth the money to the people who buy them, period.

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[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (6 children)

i think the ire is because Apple fans believe it without questioning it, like flat earth believers being told that by a religious leader. People go harsh on religious fanatics. For adults buying a phone, sure. For kids it is image, they are peer pressured into having Apple, or face highschool ridicule. And they aren't buying it outright, it goes on a payment plan that mom and dad pay for. Even my apple fan coworker is always trying to convince me to move to IOS, for "new" features, and I have to say dude I have been doing that forever, I would gain nothing by moving to IOS and lose a ton of technical abilities where I use my phone like a PC...but people can't be convinced of what they already believe

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[–] MeetInPotatoes@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (5 children)

i think the ire is because Apple fans believe it without questioning it, like flat earth believers being told that by a religious leader.

Sweeping generalization. What percentage of iPhone users are you suggesting that are like this? How would you even prove that? Marketing might get us to try something but we make up our own minds after that. You'd have to be imagining that the people that line up at the stores for days are actually representative of the iPhone using population. They're the fringe. Are most of us not numb to marketing by now anyway?

Even my apple fan coworker is always trying to convince me to move to IOS, for "new" features, and I have to say dude I have been doing that forever, I would gain nothing by moving to IOS and lose a ton of technical abilities where I use my phone like a PC...but people can't be convinced of what they already believe

Sounds like you made the right choices for you and I'm genuinely glad for you for that. Your issue is in thinking your logic should be everyone else's as well. The difference between us is that I also believe the Android fans chose their phones correctly based on what they prioritized. I have no reason to assume that such huge groups of people dealing with limited resources aren't distributed evenly across a spectrum of being discerning and of being frugal. There's hardcore fans throwing money at them that they don't have and on the other side there are people with plenty of money that just wait till the renewal is up and get the cheapest model and don't care much.

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[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (4 children)

For example I never walk around convincing people that Android is the best platform. A phone is just a phone. But the majority of Apple and Iphone users want to tell me how great their product is and that I should switch--when the conversation was not about phones. It is like dealing with Evangelical Christians. Now I know from experience that some Christians never speak of their religion to non believers, and some iphone users don'y solicit either, but there is a reason there is a stereotype. Maybe it is not in your circle and you are then actually lucky.

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[–] MeetInPotatoes@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (3 children)

But the majority of Apple and Iphone users

There are over 135 million iPhone users in the US. What's your sample size to be saying that a majority of users want to tell you how great their product is? Are you sure you're not oversampling the loud ones? That is, it's easy to count the people who try to convert you, but how easy is it really to count the people who just don't care? Some of them have likely overheard your conversations about phones and just kept on walking or doing their own thing.

Maybe it is not in your circle and you are then actually lucky.

Is it that I'm lucky or that you're unlucky? Both would shift the window of perception in the same way.

I would suggest that people who want to pretend their decision-making is better than yours (especially regarding personal preference) sound like the type of annoying people that I avoid. Sorry you have to deal with them though! Those people suck whether they're talking about their phones, shoes, cars, clothes, consoles, beer etc.

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[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (2 children)

you sure you're not oversampling the loud ones?

Well of course. This is how media and internet is. You get complainers and evangelicals and the folks in between don't care enough to make the effort to weight in.

The original question was why the Ire on IOS users buying a new phone / features. So back to that, it is the loud IOS users that are visible and the ones and the loud android crowd calls out as being sheep.

But yes, unfortunately in my pocket of the world people seem insecure about the amount they paid to Apple and so want to onboard others around them to justify their own purchase through consensus validation.

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[–] MeetInPotatoes@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

Well, fair enough for sure. Let's just both agree that those people suck and I genuinely hope you're enjoying your phone of choice!

Seems like our only disagreement is just how many of the evangelicals there are. I used to do tech support for iPhones about 10 years ago and I'd say maybe one out of every 30 callers or so were the rabid fanboy types you describe. But that sample was skewed too because I was pretty much only talking to people having an issue with their phone. Hardly anyone was an Apple fan after 20 minutes on hold lol

Cheers and good talk!

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[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago

Agreed. And yeah phone is good, especially now that I moved to GrapheneOS. All the tight security amd privacy settings, minus all the google apps ( those can be Sandbox added to keep Google out of your business). Anyhow, have a good weekend.!!

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