▲ 1400 ▼ [meme] There is no one-size-fits-all solution to transportation (lemmy.world) submitted 2 years ago by Fried_out_Kombi@lemmy.world to c/fuckcars@lemmy.world 241 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] masterspace@lemmy.ca -8 points 2 years ago* (3 children) Yes cottaging is an activity that most Canadians participate in. One of the benefits of having the most lakes of anywhere in the world. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Nouveau_Burnswick@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago (2 children) 21% of Canadians using a cottage annually means that every single Canadian must do every trip ever by car, obviously. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TrainsAreCool@lemmy.one 8 points 2 years ago I'm sorry, do you expect the government to build a train to every cottage? Ridiculous /s permalink fedilink source parent [+] masterspace@lemmy.ca -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Not what I said, try arguing without putting words in people's mouths. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TrainsAreCool@lemmy.one 11 points 2 years ago I mean, I wasn't even talking about cottaging, yet you insisted on bringing it into the conversation. You seem to want coverage for specific "edge cases" but I don't think you're open to any actual things that address those. Solutions that cover a majority of use cases are better anyways. These edge cases are minor problems that aren't relevant to the majority of transportation needs. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TrainsAreCool@lemmy.one 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) There's a difference between "I have a cottage that I visit 2 times a year" and "I live in the middle of nowhere and can't possibly survive without a car!!" that a disproportionate number of people claim. Over 80% of Canadians live in urban areas, yet much more than 20% seem to think they live in such a rural environment that lowering car usage is impossible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] masterspace@lemmy.ca -5 points 2 years ago* (2 children) And then it depends on the context of the conversation. There are countless threads of naiive people arguing that we can get rid of all cars, and when they do, people bring up the edge cases. Going to a cottage once a year still requires a car. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TrainsAreCool@lemmy.one 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) Going to a cottage once a year doesn't require you own a car for the whole year. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fried_out_Kombi@lemmy.world [S] 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) In fact, if you only truly need a car a handful of times per year, it's vastly cheaper and less hassle to just rent it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TrainsAreCool@lemmy.one 7 points 2 years ago Precisely. And if someone can't be convinced not to spend thousands of their own money on a transportation method in order to cover less than 1% of their trips, I don't think they can be convinced at all. permalink fedilink source parent [–] grue@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) There are countless threads of naiive people arguing that we can get rid of all cars, Okay, if you're going to keep arguing that, it's time for you to fucking cite some. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] masterspace@lemmy.ca -5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Go read the comments in any of the threads about the Waymo car being burned. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago Citing something means "post a hyperlink to the specific comment you think is an example," not "vaguely send people off on a wild goose chase." permalink fedilink source parent [–] pearable@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 years ago (3 children) When I first kagied "cottaging", I got anonymous gay sex. Then I figured it was a Canada thing and found, "taking vacations to remote cabins during the summer." Please let me know if I have the wrong definition. Our transportation system and an individual's personal transport should not be designed around solely less than one percent of trips they take a year. This is why car rentals exist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] perviouslyiner@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Ohhh, they weren't talking about the sex in public toilets thing? That must be super embarassing when a Canadian visits the UK! permalink fedilink source parent [–] TrainsAreCool@lemmy.one 4 points 2 years ago Sometimes it's both of those things. permalink fedilink source parent [+] masterspace@lemmy.ca -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Our transportation system and an individual's personal transport should not be designed around solely less than one percent of trips they take a year. I've never claimed that, but the edge cases are important to consider when you're trying to get people to give up their personal cars. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pearable@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 years ago You'll forgive my confusion since you replied to a comment describing a good reason to own a car that most people don't have with a comment about a bad reason to own a car that many people have. I say it's bad because there are alternatives to every family having a car specifically for the rare weekend trips they take a year permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nouveau_Burnswick@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago (2 children) 21% of Canadians using a cottage annually means that every single Canadian must do every trip ever by car, obviously. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TrainsAreCool@lemmy.one 8 points 2 years ago I'm sorry, do you expect the government to build a train to every cottage? Ridiculous /s permalink fedilink source parent [+] masterspace@lemmy.ca -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Not what I said, try arguing without putting words in people's mouths. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TrainsAreCool@lemmy.one 11 points 2 years ago I mean, I wasn't even talking about cottaging, yet you insisted on bringing it into the conversation. You seem to want coverage for specific "edge cases" but I don't think you're open to any actual things that address those. Solutions that cover a majority of use cases are better anyways. These edge cases are minor problems that aren't relevant to the majority of transportation needs. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TrainsAreCool@lemmy.one 8 points 2 years ago I'm sorry, do you expect the government to build a train to every cottage? Ridiculous /s permalink fedilink source parent
[+] masterspace@lemmy.ca -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Not what I said, try arguing without putting words in people's mouths. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TrainsAreCool@lemmy.one 11 points 2 years ago I mean, I wasn't even talking about cottaging, yet you insisted on bringing it into the conversation. You seem to want coverage for specific "edge cases" but I don't think you're open to any actual things that address those. Solutions that cover a majority of use cases are better anyways. These edge cases are minor problems that aren't relevant to the majority of transportation needs. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TrainsAreCool@lemmy.one 11 points 2 years ago I mean, I wasn't even talking about cottaging, yet you insisted on bringing it into the conversation. You seem to want coverage for specific "edge cases" but I don't think you're open to any actual things that address those. Solutions that cover a majority of use cases are better anyways. These edge cases are minor problems that aren't relevant to the majority of transportation needs. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TrainsAreCool@lemmy.one 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) There's a difference between "I have a cottage that I visit 2 times a year" and "I live in the middle of nowhere and can't possibly survive without a car!!" that a disproportionate number of people claim. Over 80% of Canadians live in urban areas, yet much more than 20% seem to think they live in such a rural environment that lowering car usage is impossible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] masterspace@lemmy.ca -5 points 2 years ago* (2 children) And then it depends on the context of the conversation. There are countless threads of naiive people arguing that we can get rid of all cars, and when they do, people bring up the edge cases. Going to a cottage once a year still requires a car. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TrainsAreCool@lemmy.one 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) Going to a cottage once a year doesn't require you own a car for the whole year. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fried_out_Kombi@lemmy.world [S] 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) In fact, if you only truly need a car a handful of times per year, it's vastly cheaper and less hassle to just rent it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TrainsAreCool@lemmy.one 7 points 2 years ago Precisely. And if someone can't be convinced not to spend thousands of their own money on a transportation method in order to cover less than 1% of their trips, I don't think they can be convinced at all. permalink fedilink source parent [–] grue@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) There are countless threads of naiive people arguing that we can get rid of all cars, Okay, if you're going to keep arguing that, it's time for you to fucking cite some. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] masterspace@lemmy.ca -5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Go read the comments in any of the threads about the Waymo car being burned. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago Citing something means "post a hyperlink to the specific comment you think is an example," not "vaguely send people off on a wild goose chase." permalink fedilink source parent
[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca -5 points 2 years ago* (2 children) And then it depends on the context of the conversation. There are countless threads of naiive people arguing that we can get rid of all cars, and when they do, people bring up the edge cases. Going to a cottage once a year still requires a car. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TrainsAreCool@lemmy.one 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) Going to a cottage once a year doesn't require you own a car for the whole year. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fried_out_Kombi@lemmy.world [S] 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) In fact, if you only truly need a car a handful of times per year, it's vastly cheaper and less hassle to just rent it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TrainsAreCool@lemmy.one 7 points 2 years ago Precisely. And if someone can't be convinced not to spend thousands of their own money on a transportation method in order to cover less than 1% of their trips, I don't think they can be convinced at all. permalink fedilink source parent [–] grue@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) There are countless threads of naiive people arguing that we can get rid of all cars, Okay, if you're going to keep arguing that, it's time for you to fucking cite some. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] masterspace@lemmy.ca -5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Go read the comments in any of the threads about the Waymo car being burned. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago Citing something means "post a hyperlink to the specific comment you think is an example," not "vaguely send people off on a wild goose chase." permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TrainsAreCool@lemmy.one 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) Going to a cottage once a year doesn't require you own a car for the whole year. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fried_out_Kombi@lemmy.world [S] 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) In fact, if you only truly need a car a handful of times per year, it's vastly cheaper and less hassle to just rent it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TrainsAreCool@lemmy.one 7 points 2 years ago Precisely. And if someone can't be convinced not to spend thousands of their own money on a transportation method in order to cover less than 1% of their trips, I don't think they can be convinced at all. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Fried_out_Kombi@lemmy.world [S] 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) In fact, if you only truly need a car a handful of times per year, it's vastly cheaper and less hassle to just rent it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TrainsAreCool@lemmy.one 7 points 2 years ago Precisely. And if someone can't be convinced not to spend thousands of their own money on a transportation method in order to cover less than 1% of their trips, I don't think they can be convinced at all. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TrainsAreCool@lemmy.one 7 points 2 years ago Precisely. And if someone can't be convinced not to spend thousands of their own money on a transportation method in order to cover less than 1% of their trips, I don't think they can be convinced at all. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] grue@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) There are countless threads of naiive people arguing that we can get rid of all cars, Okay, if you're going to keep arguing that, it's time for you to fucking cite some. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] masterspace@lemmy.ca -5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Go read the comments in any of the threads about the Waymo car being burned. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago Citing something means "post a hyperlink to the specific comment you think is an example," not "vaguely send people off on a wild goose chase." permalink fedilink source parent
[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca -5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Go read the comments in any of the threads about the Waymo car being burned. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago Citing something means "post a hyperlink to the specific comment you think is an example," not "vaguely send people off on a wild goose chase." permalink fedilink source parent
[–] grue@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago Citing something means "post a hyperlink to the specific comment you think is an example," not "vaguely send people off on a wild goose chase." permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pearable@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 years ago (3 children) When I first kagied "cottaging", I got anonymous gay sex. Then I figured it was a Canada thing and found, "taking vacations to remote cabins during the summer." Please let me know if I have the wrong definition. Our transportation system and an individual's personal transport should not be designed around solely less than one percent of trips they take a year. This is why car rentals exist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] perviouslyiner@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Ohhh, they weren't talking about the sex in public toilets thing? That must be super embarassing when a Canadian visits the UK! permalink fedilink source parent [–] TrainsAreCool@lemmy.one 4 points 2 years ago Sometimes it's both of those things. permalink fedilink source parent [+] masterspace@lemmy.ca -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Our transportation system and an individual's personal transport should not be designed around solely less than one percent of trips they take a year. I've never claimed that, but the edge cases are important to consider when you're trying to get people to give up their personal cars. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pearable@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 years ago You'll forgive my confusion since you replied to a comment describing a good reason to own a car that most people don't have with a comment about a bad reason to own a car that many people have. I say it's bad because there are alternatives to every family having a car specifically for the rare weekend trips they take a year permalink fedilink source parent
[–] perviouslyiner@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Ohhh, they weren't talking about the sex in public toilets thing? That must be super embarassing when a Canadian visits the UK! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TrainsAreCool@lemmy.one 4 points 2 years ago Sometimes it's both of those things. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] masterspace@lemmy.ca -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Our transportation system and an individual's personal transport should not be designed around solely less than one percent of trips they take a year. I've never claimed that, but the edge cases are important to consider when you're trying to get people to give up their personal cars. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pearable@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 years ago You'll forgive my confusion since you replied to a comment describing a good reason to own a car that most people don't have with a comment about a bad reason to own a car that many people have. I say it's bad because there are alternatives to every family having a car specifically for the rare weekend trips they take a year permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pearable@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 years ago You'll forgive my confusion since you replied to a comment describing a good reason to own a car that most people don't have with a comment about a bad reason to own a car that many people have. I say it's bad because there are alternatives to every family having a car specifically for the rare weekend trips they take a year permalink fedilink source parent
