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What can you get to within a 15-minute walk of your house? (mediacdn.aus.social)
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What can you get to within a 15-minute walk of your house?

A recent YouGov survey asked Americans what they think they should be able to get to within a 15-minute walk of their house.

Of these choices, I can currently walk to all of them from my apartment, aside from a university (no biggie, I'm not currently studying, although there is a Tafe within walking distance), a hospital, and a sports arena.

How many can you get to with a 15 minute walk from your house?

#fuckcars #walkability #urbanism #UrbanPlanning @fuck_cars #walking

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[–] 83 points 2 years ago (24 children)

How is bar so low?? Do people want drunk drivers? Because that’s how you get drunk drivers

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    They probably forgot to sample Wisconsin.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Wisconsin honestly doesn't want bars close to houses because the bars are all sequestered together in a small area so the noise can't reach the houses

    F to the poor souls that live above the bars in those Main Street buildings they use as bars now

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    sequestered together in a small area so the noise can’t reach the houses

    Actually its so you can go from one bar to another to chase the vibes or something. I don't drink much so I really don't know but the town I live in actually closes the road that all the bars are on to vehicle traffic at 10pm to protect the drunks stumbling between bars

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago*

    That’s a great idea. This is the approach I saw in New Orleans as well, except of course I was warned to never leave the French Quarter while stumbling drunk, due to the high crime rate there. It was fantastic walking from Jazz band to Jazz band, bringing your drink with you!

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Depends on where you are from. For a lot of Americans, bars are super loud places that play music super loud until 2am. The concept of a "bar" has so many different applications, I think most people think of a noisy place that they'd have to deal with.

    Because of car culture you often get big groups of bars all near each other, which feeds the stereotype of loud ass bar with loud ass people outside of it.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    That sounds a bit more like a nightclub.

    I'd never want to live next to a nightclub, but living next to a tavern or pub would be fine.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    Sports bars also tend to be big noisy monstrosities, and it’s what many people like to go to, but would not like to be near. I also think you’d get different results distinguishing a pub/tavern from other types of bars

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    There are two places where people get drunk most often: bar and home. Guess which one creates most drunk drivers.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago* (4 children)

    And guess what'll happen if there is one <15 mins walk from your house? You won't drive to a bar ever again.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (2 children)

    People have a real magical thinking about fifteen min cities and this is a good example of it, people don't just want to go to the nearest bar as if they're all interchangable they want to go to a bar that suits them with their friends who might well live more then fifteen min away

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago*

    True, but … I’m an example of this, where the bars I prefer are farther than walking distance. However I could walk to 3-4, and a percentage of people probably do.

    One of the things to remember about walkability is it’s always a numbers game. It can’t be everything to everyone, but the point is to make it most things for most people most of the time. I may drive to bars, but I only go rarely and my goal is a nice meal, a nice microbrew, and a great conversation. I care a lot about the quality of food and beer and am not interested in getting drunk. You may have different criteria

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    Yeah but it depends on where you at, you can find lots of cities Europe that has tons of bar in a 15mins walking radius, so you can choose whatever you want. But yeah small towns might have only one or two that you might not like much. And also, EU countries has the ultimate cheat activated at almost all times, a good functioning public transportation...so you don't have to take the car... (fuck car dependency )

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  • [–] -5 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Not everyone wants to get drunk regularly, and having a bar close by could potentially bring drunk people in your neighborhood. Most of the bars in my city are clustered in commercial complexes, which are usually quiet empty after regular end of business hours.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I think you're confusing a simple bar and a downtown bar area. I have a bar a block from me, no noise, low key. Neighborhood bars are generally more go and grab a beer locally, but you don't get massive crowds.

    Very different rules too, they have a lower noise tolerance compared to a bar area. It's something that's honestly really nice, a place for locals to go watch the game or have a beer, and be able to walk home. It's honestly a luxury that we have it

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Yeah, I lived right next to a bar as a kid and this has never been an issue. The only times it got loud, it was planned in advance and the bar owner actually asked my parents permission before doing their thing. This happened like once a year, the rest of the time, I didn’t hear a thing.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    The vibe I get here in the American midwest is that bars belong clustered on a narrow strip downtown, in very high density so you can bar hop on foot, but located far away from housing so no one has to deal with the rowdiness it attracts.

    I definitely understand and agree with the argument that small shops and services like post offices, gas stations, and grocery stores being interspersed within walkable neighborhoods can only be a good thing. But for anyone viewing bars through this lens, dividing and conquering them ends up detracting from a crucial part of the experience.

    I suppose if you prefer calmer bars, or if your local bar is the haunt of your local clique that you happen to be a part of, a small, lonely bar would be a nice experience. But that's not what I'd say most people I know go to bars for.

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