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ditch discord! (discuss.tchncs.de)
submitted 2 years ago by to c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world
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person backing up his car exploitable with the following four panels:

  1. person looking ahead. the text below him says, "wow a cool software. let's check out the community"
  2. screenshot with the text

    Community
    The main place where the community gathers is our Discord server. Feel free to join there to ask questions, help out others, share cool things you created with Typst, or just to chat.

  3. hand on gear shift zoomed in, switching to reverse
  4. person looking behind with the text "nevermind".
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[–] 39 points 2 years ago* (4 children)

Discord is a real-time communication system that also has a built-in history feature. This type of communication promotes conversational interactions, which are really hard to search for complete ideas about problems and their solutions, and those solutions are not indexed by internet search engines, which makes it extremely difficult for people to discover useful information on the platform even with the available history.

The asynchronous nature of web based forums promotes communication in more complete ideas (though this is clearly not always how communication happens) and they are indexable by search engines.

Just look at how people discover solutions in Reddit posts so frequently when searching Google, but nobody finds solutions in chat logs, even IRC which has been around for decades and is often archived in a search indexable site where chat logs are posted.

Edit: I swear that wasn't written even a bit by AI.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Edit: I swear that wasn't written even a bit by AI.

    That's the beauty of it. Tomorrow, it will be.

    (When an AI copy/pastes your answer to someone asking about choosing the correct iphone power brick, or something.)

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  • [–] -3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    You don’t really address why having a “conversational” option is bad. I understand the advantages of searchable history but that’s not necessarily the right option for every community. Diversity is good.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    It's not bad to have the conversational option, but at a certain point in a project's life cycle it probably shouldn't be the only option.

    A complex project like a government would have a hard time throwing out all their knowledge infrastructure and relying purely on Discord.

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  • [–] -4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    No one wants their private/semi-private chats to be indexable or searchable. The whole POINT is to not have what you say broadcast to all and sundry.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I hear what you're saying, but that is exactly why Discord is shit for official communities like in the meme. There's no reason why an open source project should rely on Discord for troubleshooting and feature requests and enthusiasm. Discord was meant for things like video games and friend chats, not instances where data discovery is paramount to growing the community.

    There is a reason thar Discord communities trend toward toxic, and it is the insular weirdness that the platform enables and reinforces. Forums make much more sense for projects. Discord ends up with a bunch of no lifers ruining the communities. Been through it far too often with things like genre appreciation groups to open source projects. Reminds me of being a kid and encountering the, frankly, losers chasing people out of IRC.

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  • [+] -7 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    For open-source projects and stuff that needs to be public, I can feel you.

    What these chucklefucks are asking for is to make ALL Discord content indexable and searchable, even extremely private intimate things, and that's absolutely unacceptable.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    Assuming I'm one of the chucklefucks you're talking about, that's not what we're saying. The meme and my comments are about software that somebody found. If somebody found it, it's already public. Why should such a software community hold its discussions in private?

    I'm very pro-privacy. The topic here is not private software, it's public software.

    Useful looking software that somebody stumbles across and wants to learn more about is what we're talking about.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    It's your proposed solution that's the problem. The answer isn't to make Discord public, it's to convince people to move off of it, and quite honestly, if you want people to leave Discord so badly, you'd be better off setting up separate public forums for the open source projects you are interested in on your own and convincing/bribing respected members of the Discord to post there, or copy/paste technical info there.

    I feel the same way about Lemmy so I sympathize with you, honestly.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    The answer isn't to make Discord public

    You're absolutely right. Aside from me not caring at all what happens to discord, my explanation points out that even having IRC chat logs public doesn't surface solutions in search engines, because chat isn't good for that.

    It sounds like you really misunderstood what I was saying. Public software that values community as a long lasting place for users to find solutions should not be promoting chat for those end-user facing discussions, they should be promoting forums.

    Plus the original meme isn't saying anything related to making discord publicly searchable, it's saying "fuck discord, I'd rather not use that software than use discord."

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  • [+] -8 points 2 years ago

    This whole comment/complaint is just the pros and cons of different types of communication. None of this is discord specific, it's just complaints that real time chat isn't indexed by search engines and isn't organized into clear topics.

    Sure, some IRC chats were logged/posted, but that still has all the same searchability problems, and that process can still be used within discord search. It's just not useful because real time chat doesn't have any sort of topic organization.

    This whole thing is like complaining that signal is worse than email because it's not as organized. It's not worse, it's just a different medium with different goals and purpose. And you're not giving any specifics as to why signal/discord is bad, just that you don't like direct messaging/chat rooms.

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