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ditch discord! (discuss.tchncs.de)
submitted 2 years ago by to c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world
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person backing up his car exploitable with the following four panels:

  1. person looking ahead. the text below him says, "wow a cool software. let's check out the community"
  2. screenshot with the text

    Community
    The main place where the community gathers is our Discord server. Feel free to join there to ask questions, help out others, share cool things you created with Typst, or just to chat.

  3. hand on gear shift zoomed in, switching to reverse
  4. person looking behind with the text "nevermind".
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[–] 90 points 2 years ago (8 children)

I don't get discord at all. It seems like the worst parts or IRC and the worst parts of webforums mashed together with no redeeming values added. I can't find anything, I can't tell what conversations are over, I can't figure out any of the in-jokes. If the place is too dead it's completely devoid of anything of value, if it's too big everything of value gets buried.

I've tried to take part in a couple of servers, those attempts have never last more than a couple hours.

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  • [–] 38 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    That's was my exact experience on a pokemon go server. So many channels and conversations that notifications are useless and searching for the information I needed was difficult. Just one giant group chat which is awful for storing needed, retrievable, information imo.

    Made me never want to step into discord again.

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  • [–] 30 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    It's great for smallish groups of friends bs-ing or collaborating, but bigger than that I've always found it painful

    But, some people can apparently keep up with the firehouse of comments on Twitch streams while they make me not want to bother with it at all, so...

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  • [–] 20 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    It has probably the worst UI of any site or app. I can never find the settings I need to modify or what the heck I’m looking at. It tells me that there’s a new reply specifically to me but I can never find it because it has long scrolled up in the history.

    I tried posting an image using the app on my phone but it kept ignoring it. Somehow I magically hit the right button and it included it in my reply. I had no idea.

    The content is hidden from the world unless you sign up and join, so the knowledge captured on a discord server is essentially useless.

    It’s definitely a mashup on irc and web forums, but infinitely worse.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    What do you mean find anything?

    Discord is used like this:

    Text message: you wanna play today? Yeah.

    Discord: here's the server address. Thanks

    Discord voice chat: I made us a bunch of supplies. Cool I dug up a diamond.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    And if we were talking about hooking up with our friends to play Minecraft, that'd be a great point.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Everyone is like "discord is a bad project discussion and documentation space! "

    Which could be read as "it's very hard to cut this steak with a plunger!"

    People are complaining about using a tool incorrectly.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    We're complaining about having to use it incorrectly. We can't help if the software project (that's part of a software project, that's part of a software project we need) only offers support via discord.

    To belabor your metaphor, you're saying that we shouldn't complain if we want a steak and the only place to get steak only offers plungers as utensils.

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  • [+] -6 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    You don't have to. Fork it, make it better. Crush the existing developers, see them driven before you and hear the lamentations of their Patreon donators.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Sure. If you need software support, build a support system and get everyone else to use it. Makes perfect sense. I hope you live exclusively by this principal.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    What? This is about documentation and maintenance of an open source project, this isn't a SaaS situation.

    If your documentation sucks, you're no better than the discord hell the original project came from.

    And yes, I only work with open source projects that are run well, or I fork them and maintain them for personal use.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Well the specific context here is software projects using it as the platform for their community... So it's kind of like going to a steakhouse and being given a fork and plunger to eat with. It makes sense to both complain about the steakhouse, and remark on the shortcomings of using a plunger for the purpose it was imposed on you for.

    Now of course, it's wrong to say that Discord or a plunger are bad tools per se-- They are both occasionally useful for when I need to deal with some problematic shit. They are unpleasant, but I just hold my nose and thoroughly wash my hands after.

    Actually the plunger analogy tracks better than I expected.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    To which I'm saying anyone who engages with discord in a project space that is silly. Creators and users. Software dev happens elsewhere. Fork it and make it better.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Fork... what? The software project that you're trying to get help with? The problem isn't that you need to change the code, the problem is that you want to be able to leverage the community.

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  • [–] -4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Oh sorry are you not familiar with GitHub or other branching code managers?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Haha that's not the issue, but it's pretty clear that you're deliberately misunderstanding at this point.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I understand it fine. People are intrigued by a useful project, only to find the junk devs run a discord for community engagement, issue tracking, devlog, and so on.

    People feel helpless they they have to engage with discord in this way, because it is shit for that stuff.

    People have no ability to self correct their experience, even though the system has built in features to allow them to improve the project by forking it and raising the standards.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Great, I knew you could understand if you wanted to (hence the "deliberate" part).

    So... Yes. Exactly. The complaint is about poor choices in the implementation of the project's community. Not everybody who would want to use the software (e.g. Typst, in this meme) knows how to code at all. Those people are reliant on the community for support, and may choose to avoid a project if the community isn't good for them. That's the premise of the meme, and orthogonal to any properties of the version control system.

    Among those who can code, it's still reasonable that someone might consider the community when evaluating the cost of integrating the project... Especially if they plan to be an end-user of the application.

    It's great if you grok the source of every project you use and accept the burden of maintaining them yourself in lieu of a good community. That's really neat. But I don't think it's practical for everybody to do that for everything they might want to use... Yes, even though the Fork button is right there.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    So generally people would prefer to complain that improve? Very cool. Just flail and meme

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I've always found that Discord's search works pretty well!

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Yeah that's what I use most to see if people have asked the same question I have then I jump to the discussion they had and that leads me where I want to go, but I do get it would be really annoying for someone who isn't logged into discord or uses it to chat with friends

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Forums do it better, can be indexed by a search engine, can be bookmarked, and can be archived using the wayback machine or a similar service. Important information shouldn't be buried in chat logs. And discord's forum feature was an idea they tacked on and is a poor substitute for the real thing.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago

    The barrier to entry for IRC is very high for non technical users. It's also archaic, has little to no customisation and can be difficult to moderate at high volumes.

    I'm not defending discord here, but the IRC comparisons are silly.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Are you old?

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I’m 25 and share all these woes, what is old to you?

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Old is when you don't try to understand the interface anymore.

    Discord enables so much that's never been so convenient before. Can't say I like the company, but it's pretty much the best at what it does.

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