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Feel free to quote and analyse any mistakes I made in detail.
And if you can't: Then you are lying.
The bit about the left taking peoples property for no reason and fighting people for not being left of them screams "strawman with no actual points against leftism" to me. You've got this whole "Enlightened Centrist" thing going on that just proves you don't actually want to analyze things and instead just fence-sit because the status quo benefits you.
Great Purge
Cultural Revolution
Killing Fields
"Socialism does not mean the equal distribution of wealth between the wealthy and the poor, this would be too inflexible. Rather, socialism is a means of increasing productivity." - Saddam Hussein, Leader of the Arab socialist Movement: in: ath-thawra
Best Definition of "Fascism" I have ever heared. From an Extremist Socialist trying to redefine Socialism.
You may argue "how Extremist" Fa, Anti-Fa and Anti-Anti-Fa are. But you can not argue that they are all Extremists.
Now answer me with your usual emotional one-liners. Add some foot stomping. I do not expect anything more from you.
Learn to quote. I wrote "Extremists". You claim I wrote "Leftists". You need to learn that the Extreme Wings are much further away from the middle than the left and right middle to each other.
Also, I see you are doing the 101 of populism:
Oh, and by the way, I am living in Germany. You fucking have you idea what you are talking about if you are talking about left and right politics, extremists and middle. Honestly, you sound like someone with an extreme case of borderline syndrome who only know "THEM" vs "US", only knows Extreme Counterpositions.
But that is not how the world works. Even our local conservative parties are much more leftist than eg the US Democrats and that is a good thing. I vote mostly Green and Social Democrats. But I HATE the Extremists, the Maoists, Stalinists, the Alternative Truthers, the national party, the skin heads (there are left and right skinheads in Germany so... pick your poison). And I see the Extremists changing without a second thought from Left Extremism to Right Extremism. Hell, I have even seen Left Extremists convert to Islam Extremism so they have Gods blessing in hating others. You can not make up how stupid Extremists are.
Ah, here is something interesting:
The liberal Reichsbanner Movement is going to celebrate 100 years of Resistance to Extremism. They do not differentiate between left and right Extremism. Never did. And their members number in the Millions. That is how you really fight Extremism.
Extremism can be correct. The only correct response to racism is antiracism, which is an extremist stance. It's fitting that a liberal party would fight leftist movement.
Actually Mao claimed his great leap forward was "Anti-Racism" (and also Anti-Classism and whatever) because he forcefully removed all differences by murdering pretty much any one standing out. Pol Pot never claimed that but technically speaking he was doing the same: Forcefully removing everything making people different. Yes, there is "Extremist Anti-Racism".
Being different is as much a basic right as being treated equally.
An interesting excursus: The Woke movement labelled it "racist" when Non-Rasta-People wore Rasta curls. I on the other hand call it racist to deny people the right to freely chose or reject traditions based on their origin. Because one side is Extremist and the other is liberal. Now tell me where the truth lies.
There is a Bavarian Pro-Verb: Cats enjoy mice, but not me. Again, tell me where the truth lies.
You're confusing "extremism" with "violence." Pacifism is extremist.
No, Pacificm is not always Extremist.
The Green party of Germany is Pacifist.
But they also have been the loudest about rearming the German Bundeswehr in face of Russian Aggression since 2008. I cite their defence speaker from 2010: "Peace is worth fighting for".
Pacifism is an extremist position. Everyone wants to avoid violence, but pacifism is extremist.
You're combining radical, extreme views with violence for no reason other than to lie about having a point. Enlightened Centrism at its peak.