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[–] rumckle@lemmy.world 8 points 3 years ago

Only works when there are decent alternatives, other wise it is just taking money from commuters (and in the case of my city giving it to private corporations).

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[–] trk@aussie.zone [S] 3 points 3 years ago (1 child)

Explain.

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[–] FuckFashMods@kbin.social 3 points 3 years ago (1 child)

People should pay for their roads. "Free" driving leads to a tragedy of the commons, and inefficient road system.

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[–] BNE@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 3 years ago (1 child)

But we do though, with rego and fuel taxes and the like - sorry, I'm just confused and trying to clarify atm, were you suggesting we don't at the moment?

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[–] zik@aussie.zone 4 points 3 years ago (1 child)

Rego doesn't even begin to cover the cost of roads. Nearly all the cost comes from general tax revenue.

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[–] zik@aussie.zone 3 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

It's easy to work it out yourself.

Road funding is 8.3 billion from councils per year plus 5.6 billion (federal maintenance) +15 billion (federal projects) plus whatever the states spend. Plus there are other parts of road funding that come from other budgets but it's well over 30 billion all up. The number of registered cars in Australia is 21 million. So over $1500 per car per year for road expenditure.

Rego (excluding the insurance component which doesn't go towards roads) is about $200 depending on the state. So the rest is coming from general revenue.

Note that they never claimed rego paid for all the road costs. It's just something that's commonly assumed.

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[–] beatle@aussie.zone 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

My understanding was that vehicle registration basically covered the costs of administrating the scheme, with road funding being driven by the excise on fuel. Which is why the government offers rebates for certain off road uses and if you run a generator etc.

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[–] zik@aussie.zone 1 point 3 years ago

If you calculate the revenues from fuel excise it doesn't come close to covering road costs either. I didn't even count the state funded road costs above but they come to some additional thousands per year per vehicle.

Most road costs are paid out of general revenue. Which means that the 30% of people who don't drive are paying for roads for everyone else too.

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[–] w2qw@aussie.zone 2 points 3 years ago

Yeah registration and fuel tax certainly covered a majority of it. This site has a breakdown and even with some of the dubious categories it's definitely still a significant portion. I suspect this also includes local roads which doesn't really make sense because you need them regardless of whether you have a car or not.

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[–] tfyoung@aussie.zone 2 points 3 years ago

Congestion charges are better