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Why is Google allowed to remove purchases from our Play Store accounts without telling us? (www.androidpolice.com)
submitted 2 years ago by to c/technology@lemmy.world
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[–] -5 points 2 years ago (21 children)

It’s the same as Steam, you sign the contract called “ User Agreement” that has a section on how you don’t own the games. It’s legal and nothing you can do about it. User Agreement also forbids you from suing Valve Corporation, so anyone who wants to own games from SteM legally cannot.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    You decided to use as an example the only company known to not overstep in this regard. Steam has historically refunded in full the cost of games that have been withdrawn. It's likely the agreements for these are part of the requirements of publishers rather than the platform itself, as well as the reasons to withdraw them.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago*

    That's absolutely correct, they're also excellent when it comes to lending games to other people. OTOH Valve is fighting its way through the whole European appeal chain to prevent having to allow customers to resell their games. They're going to lose, it's just a matter of time.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    Steam didn't refund any of the cost of the games their DRM rendered inoperable on my Windows 7 PC. They happily took my money 1 week before dropping support.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    That's on you. They extended support to that legacy os far beyond it being end of life.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child)

    If you're hanging onto windows 7 because your computer isn't suitable for later versions, I suggest you move to Linux so as to be on a modern reasonably secure operating system. Windows 7 machines are becoming too likely to be part of a bot farm

    You can run steam on Linux

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Whatever I sign doesn't make it any less illegal to falsely advertise your services.

    If I hire a pool cleaner and they shit in my pool it isn't my fault that 'I didn't read the pool-shitting clause buried in fine print on the 138th page of the agreement'. Shitting in pools is the antithesis of a pool cleaning service.

    Advertisers and marketers they know this, stop helping them.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago* (9 children)

    not all games on steam have steam drm, thats an option that devs decide to use or not. Valve gives it as an option, blame the dev if they choose to use it.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (8 children)

    Valve’s games also include DRM, Valve will still be blamed. Valve doesn’t care about their games, TF2 community comes into mind when they sent Cease and Desist. No, do not defend them for it because you also would agree with Nintendo’s stance on this issue.

    Valve will never be the good guys, only remember as the bad guys.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago* (7 children)

    you didnt use valve as the sole dev however, changing your entire argument. you blamed steam as an entire platform when the actual answer is that its dev specific, hell theres a fucking wiki that tells you which games on steam dont have DRM. you blanketed an entire platform with a statement that isnt even fully true. im not even saying valve is the good guy, this shit isn't black and white, im just here not trying to pedal actual lies

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (6 children)

    All Valves games are DRM, you can not download the games without Steam Client. No, using the alternative method because the User Agreement doesn’t allow it. Valve never allows games to be installed without permission by them.

    That’s the very definition of DRM, a company saying they don’t allow you to install games without consent.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago* (5 children)

    t’s the same as Steam, you sign the contract called “ User Agreement” that has a section on how you don’t own the games

    this is what you said,

    Steam is a platform, that host various games, some with DRM, some without DRM

    Valve is a dev, their games have DRM. Just because Valves games have drm, doesnt make that all games on steam have DRM. You painted an entire platform as DRM when it isn't. it's one thing to say that Valve theirselves puts drm in their games, its a completely different statement to blanket all of steam to be drm, when thats a completely false statement.

    For example, go get someones steam copy of witcher 3, youll quickly find out that it itself has no drm, despite coming from steam, and not the GOG version.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Again, the very definition of DRM is Valve approval of:

    1. Your account

    2. Your money

    3. The requirements laid out in the Steam User agreement

    You do not own the game, you don’t own the Steam Client, you don’t own the account and buying doesn’t offer refunds for real money. THE WHOLE THING IS VALVE CORPORATE LEGAL TERF. You can never get Steam exclusive games outside of Steam.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (3 children)

    You can never get Steam exclusive games outside of Steam.

    the discussion of steam exclusive games was never part of a question. Again, go download witcher 3 on steam and tell me that it doesnt work if you transfer it to another device. If ti works, it defies that steam as an entirely is DRM, because thats the opposite of what DRM would provide.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    You can’t without Steam Client you idiot.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    after you have downloaded the game, you don't need the steam client, it does not use Steam DRM. if youre arguing after closing you can no longer download the game, that applies to all platforms. What the fuck would you be arguing then.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago

    Again not how DRM free market works. You should not have to download another software to download the game.

    Gaming wasn’t about platform, it was the ability to download games from your computer or CD. No signups or anything stupid like Steam legal contracts.

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