▲ 973 ▼ Why is Google allowed to remove purchases from our Play Store accounts without telling us? (www.androidpolice.com) submitted 2 years ago by throws_lemy@lemmy.nz to c/technology@lemmy.world 298 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] MindSkipperBro12@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (10 children) They can argue that you “bought” the lease. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago No they fucking can't argue that! Words have meanings and Google is not entitled to change them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] essteeyou@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (8 children) It's pretty clear that you're leasing a car when you do it. Make it like that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] danielfgom@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Exactly. It should say "lease" instead of "buy" or just "price" . They know that too but you know why they don't use "lease"? They would have WAY less sales. Almost no one would click that. So they use "buy"/"price" to make you think you own it, and then think they are clever when they define it as "buying a licence" in the Terms. That's plain and sneaky so I don't feel sorry for them when people pirate stuff. I wish every dev had the option of "go to my website and buy this from me with an eternal licence included" as well as the option to lease it from the Play Store. Same goes for music and movies. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MindSkipperBro12@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) If it’s in the term and you sign it, then, for better or for worse, then that is true. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] DreadPotato@sopuli.xyz 9 points 2 years ago* There are usually loads of unenforceable terms and definitions in the ToS you sign. Just because you sign it doesn't make it true or enforceable, and many won't hold up in court even if you've signed the document. But that requires you to spend the energy and money to fight these fuckers. permalink fedilink source parent [–] essteeyou@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* If a car dealership put a sticker on the front window of a car saying "Buy this car for $250 a month for 4 years" and then took the car from you after 4 years because their terms had some fine print, the dealership would likely be sued. If they weren't sued they'd at least lose business. Unfortunately for everyone, that's not going to happen with Amazon or Sony or any other big company doing this shit because we're just letting them get away with shady business practices. I'm not saying the terms are wrong or that what the companies are doing is illegal right now, but I do think it should be looked at closely by someone who can dish out some massive fines, or ideally change the situation. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 2 points 2 years ago* Maybe that's true in a legal sense, depending on the jurisdiction, but in a moral sense, it's only true if you read and understood what you were agreeing to. You can't consent to something you were tricked into. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LazaroFilm@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) It’s in the terms you agreed to. Didn’t you read them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] essteeyou@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) I wish the terms and conditions had reading times at the top of them, and I also wish there was a law saying something to the effect of "buying a movie shouldn't require you to read 35 minutes of ALL CAPS TERMS AND CONDITIONS while holding a dictionary and a thesaurus after gaining a legal degree" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] LazaroFilm@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Agreed there should be a max word count for this kind of things. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] grue@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago No they fucking can't argue that! Words have meanings and Google is not entitled to change them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] essteeyou@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (8 children) It's pretty clear that you're leasing a car when you do it. Make it like that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] danielfgom@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Exactly. It should say "lease" instead of "buy" or just "price" . They know that too but you know why they don't use "lease"? They would have WAY less sales. Almost no one would click that. So they use "buy"/"price" to make you think you own it, and then think they are clever when they define it as "buying a licence" in the Terms. That's plain and sneaky so I don't feel sorry for them when people pirate stuff. I wish every dev had the option of "go to my website and buy this from me with an eternal licence included" as well as the option to lease it from the Play Store. Same goes for music and movies. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MindSkipperBro12@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) If it’s in the term and you sign it, then, for better or for worse, then that is true. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] DreadPotato@sopuli.xyz 9 points 2 years ago* There are usually loads of unenforceable terms and definitions in the ToS you sign. Just because you sign it doesn't make it true or enforceable, and many won't hold up in court even if you've signed the document. But that requires you to spend the energy and money to fight these fuckers. permalink fedilink source parent [–] essteeyou@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* If a car dealership put a sticker on the front window of a car saying "Buy this car for $250 a month for 4 years" and then took the car from you after 4 years because their terms had some fine print, the dealership would likely be sued. If they weren't sued they'd at least lose business. Unfortunately for everyone, that's not going to happen with Amazon or Sony or any other big company doing this shit because we're just letting them get away with shady business practices. I'm not saying the terms are wrong or that what the companies are doing is illegal right now, but I do think it should be looked at closely by someone who can dish out some massive fines, or ideally change the situation. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 2 points 2 years ago* Maybe that's true in a legal sense, depending on the jurisdiction, but in a moral sense, it's only true if you read and understood what you were agreeing to. You can't consent to something you were tricked into. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LazaroFilm@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) It’s in the terms you agreed to. Didn’t you read them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] essteeyou@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) I wish the terms and conditions had reading times at the top of them, and I also wish there was a law saying something to the effect of "buying a movie shouldn't require you to read 35 minutes of ALL CAPS TERMS AND CONDITIONS while holding a dictionary and a thesaurus after gaining a legal degree" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] LazaroFilm@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Agreed there should be a max word count for this kind of things. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] danielfgom@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Exactly. It should say "lease" instead of "buy" or just "price" . They know that too but you know why they don't use "lease"? They would have WAY less sales. Almost no one would click that. So they use "buy"/"price" to make you think you own it, and then think they are clever when they define it as "buying a licence" in the Terms. That's plain and sneaky so I don't feel sorry for them when people pirate stuff. I wish every dev had the option of "go to my website and buy this from me with an eternal licence included" as well as the option to lease it from the Play Store. Same goes for music and movies. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MindSkipperBro12@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) If it’s in the term and you sign it, then, for better or for worse, then that is true. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] DreadPotato@sopuli.xyz 9 points 2 years ago* There are usually loads of unenforceable terms and definitions in the ToS you sign. Just because you sign it doesn't make it true or enforceable, and many won't hold up in court even if you've signed the document. But that requires you to spend the energy and money to fight these fuckers. permalink fedilink source parent [–] essteeyou@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* If a car dealership put a sticker on the front window of a car saying "Buy this car for $250 a month for 4 years" and then took the car from you after 4 years because their terms had some fine print, the dealership would likely be sued. If they weren't sued they'd at least lose business. Unfortunately for everyone, that's not going to happen with Amazon or Sony or any other big company doing this shit because we're just letting them get away with shady business practices. I'm not saying the terms are wrong or that what the companies are doing is illegal right now, but I do think it should be looked at closely by someone who can dish out some massive fines, or ideally change the situation. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 2 points 2 years ago* Maybe that's true in a legal sense, depending on the jurisdiction, but in a moral sense, it's only true if you read and understood what you were agreeing to. You can't consent to something you were tricked into. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DreadPotato@sopuli.xyz 9 points 2 years ago* There are usually loads of unenforceable terms and definitions in the ToS you sign. Just because you sign it doesn't make it true or enforceable, and many won't hold up in court even if you've signed the document. But that requires you to spend the energy and money to fight these fuckers. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] essteeyou@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* If a car dealership put a sticker on the front window of a car saying "Buy this car for $250 a month for 4 years" and then took the car from you after 4 years because their terms had some fine print, the dealership would likely be sued. If they weren't sued they'd at least lose business. Unfortunately for everyone, that's not going to happen with Amazon or Sony or any other big company doing this shit because we're just letting them get away with shady business practices. I'm not saying the terms are wrong or that what the companies are doing is illegal right now, but I do think it should be looked at closely by someone who can dish out some massive fines, or ideally change the situation. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 2 points 2 years ago* Maybe that's true in a legal sense, depending on the jurisdiction, but in a moral sense, it's only true if you read and understood what you were agreeing to. You can't consent to something you were tricked into. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LazaroFilm@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) It’s in the terms you agreed to. Didn’t you read them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] essteeyou@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) I wish the terms and conditions had reading times at the top of them, and I also wish there was a law saying something to the effect of "buying a movie shouldn't require you to read 35 minutes of ALL CAPS TERMS AND CONDITIONS while holding a dictionary and a thesaurus after gaining a legal degree" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] LazaroFilm@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Agreed there should be a max word count for this kind of things. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] essteeyou@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) I wish the terms and conditions had reading times at the top of them, and I also wish there was a law saying something to the effect of "buying a movie shouldn't require you to read 35 minutes of ALL CAPS TERMS AND CONDITIONS while holding a dictionary and a thesaurus after gaining a legal degree" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] LazaroFilm@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Agreed there should be a max word count for this kind of things. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LazaroFilm@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Agreed there should be a max word count for this kind of things. permalink fedilink source parent