▲ 134 ▼ Dave Chappelle’s Obsession With Mocking Trans People Continues in New Netflix Special ‘The Dreamer’: ‘I Love Punching Down’ (variety.com) submitted 2 years ago by Klaatu@lemmy.world to c/moviesandtv@lemm.ee 84 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Steveanonymous@lemmy.world 61 points 2 years ago (21 children) Remember when he was funny? permalink fedilink source hideshow 21 child comments replies: [–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 47 points 2 years ago (18 children) I used to love Chappelle. These past couple years don't offend me, they just bore the fuck out of me. Which is not what I look for in entertainment. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 58 points 2 years ago (14 children) I'm absolutely fine with trans jokes or dead baby jokes or literally anything, just make sure and not to forget the joke part permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] kellyaster@kbin.social 61 points 2 years ago (8 children) Yeah, these aren't even jokes, more like some weirdass gross power fantasy. “God forbid I ever go to jail. But if I do, I hope it’s in California. Soon as the judge sentences me, I’ll be like, ‘Before you sentence me, I want the court to know I identify as a woman. Send me to a woman’s jail.’ As soon I get in there, you know what I’mma be doing. ‘Give me your fruit cocktail, bitch, before I knock your motherfucking teeth out. I’m a girl, just like you, bitch. Come here and suck this girl dick I got. Don’t make me explain myself. I’m a girl.'” I am trans, and it's hard to not take the insults personally, especially since this "edgy comedy" is coming from a comedian I used to admire and respect. What the fuck, Dave? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 28 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I can’t believe that’s a real joke he told—that’s not even a joke. I honestly haven’t watched any of his polemic ones because I just didn’t care to watch his standup anymore. When he lost his bright, loose energy he used to have during performances, I just wasn’t interested anymore. And now this is how far one of the previous greats has fallen? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] markr@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago It’s a classic. Rape! Ha ha ha. Amirite? It takes true genius to think that up. /s. I had no clue his act was that pathetic. permalink fedilink source parent [–] oakey66@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago You have to be just the ultimate asshole to think this is funny. When he did the equivalent of “my best friend is trans” qualifier on stage, the rabbit hole he went down became pretty obvious. He’s so talented that he doesn’t have a single person who can give him feedback. I guarantee you he’s surrounded by yes men and other comedians who are too chicken shit to say anything. Money and power corrupt always. permalink fedilink source parent [–] tegs_terry@feddit.uk 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's like a ricky gervais joke without the irony. What we have here is a guy with a grudge. He got cut; now he's lashing out. I'm pretty sure jo rowling did the same thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago That's just the recycled joke every conservative talking head has told. It's not even creative. Same joke about bathrooms or sports. "I'll just tell them I'm a woman, hurr durr." Get new material if you're going to try to be edgy, Dave. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Elderos@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago Louis CK can jokes about pedos and yet it is hilarious and generally well-received. This joke gives strong "I identify as an attack helicopter" energy. It is not funny, and he's basically just repeating the shitty talking points of right-wing pundits, and without sarcasm. It is humour-by-applause, it is not meant to be a satirical joke, but to have people who agree applause and cheers. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago That's the type of joke someone's uncle would make in the bar after a few too many, or the one you think of and know better than to vocalize it... because it isn't really funny. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 6 points 2 years ago (4 children) I’ve thought for quite some time there’s fertile ground for jokes about the trans experience, but they really need to be told by people who have lived that experience. There is something cosmically funny about being born into one body and feeling it is the wrong one. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] moriquende@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (3 children) why do you think only people who have been trans should be making trans jokes? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 12 points 2 years ago (2 children) In general it takes a level of skill to tell a joke about a marginalized group without punching down that is exceptionally rare. For example, I can think of one or two male comedians who have told rape jokes that did not make rape victims the butt of the joke. If a trans person tells a joke about the trans experience and fucks it up, other trans people won’t feel like a cis person is just adding to the atmosphere of hate toward them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Holyhandgrenade@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago My philosophy of comedy is that you can joke about any tragedy you want, but make it absolutely fucking crystal clear that you are on the victim's side. Plus, punching up is always funnier than punching down. permalink fedilink source parent [–] moriquende@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago I think it definitely needs to be done tactfully and without hate, but joking about one another is an important part of being included and feeling like we all belong together. permalink fedilink source parent [–] The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website 23 points 2 years ago (2 children) Yeah, I gave his most recent specials a shot, but it's mostly just him ranting about his various beefs, which isn't good comedy. Like, there are a handful of decent jokes, but the pacing sucks because he wants to air out all this dirty laundry in between. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] markr@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago At least Lenny had some actual real beefs to whine about. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Elderos@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago First content I watched of him was a special on Netflix years ago, and I just couldn't finish it. Nothing he said punched or was structured as a joke. It really felt he was just having boring discussions with himself. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago Yeah the Chappelle show, then he came back convinced he was both special and a victim. My grandfather this, rich people in a room that, being black in America is the same as going to war. He is a prick without nuance. permalink fedilink source parent [–] GrammatonCleric@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago You mean when he had a banger of a co-writer 😂 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 47 points 2 years ago (18 children) I used to love Chappelle. These past couple years don't offend me, they just bore the fuck out of me. Which is not what I look for in entertainment. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 58 points 2 years ago (14 children) I'm absolutely fine with trans jokes or dead baby jokes or literally anything, just make sure and not to forget the joke part permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] kellyaster@kbin.social 61 points 2 years ago (8 children) Yeah, these aren't even jokes, more like some weirdass gross power fantasy. “God forbid I ever go to jail. But if I do, I hope it’s in California. Soon as the judge sentences me, I’ll be like, ‘Before you sentence me, I want the court to know I identify as a woman. Send me to a woman’s jail.’ As soon I get in there, you know what I’mma be doing. ‘Give me your fruit cocktail, bitch, before I knock your motherfucking teeth out. I’m a girl, just like you, bitch. Come here and suck this girl dick I got. Don’t make me explain myself. I’m a girl.'” I am trans, and it's hard to not take the insults personally, especially since this "edgy comedy" is coming from a comedian I used to admire and respect. What the fuck, Dave? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 28 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I can’t believe that’s a real joke he told—that’s not even a joke. I honestly haven’t watched any of his polemic ones because I just didn’t care to watch his standup anymore. When he lost his bright, loose energy he used to have during performances, I just wasn’t interested anymore. And now this is how far one of the previous greats has fallen? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] markr@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago It’s a classic. Rape! Ha ha ha. Amirite? It takes true genius to think that up. /s. I had no clue his act was that pathetic. permalink fedilink source parent [–] oakey66@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago You have to be just the ultimate asshole to think this is funny. When he did the equivalent of “my best friend is trans” qualifier on stage, the rabbit hole he went down became pretty obvious. He’s so talented that he doesn’t have a single person who can give him feedback. I guarantee you he’s surrounded by yes men and other comedians who are too chicken shit to say anything. Money and power corrupt always. permalink fedilink source parent [–] tegs_terry@feddit.uk 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's like a ricky gervais joke without the irony. What we have here is a guy with a grudge. He got cut; now he's lashing out. I'm pretty sure jo rowling did the same thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago That's just the recycled joke every conservative talking head has told. It's not even creative. Same joke about bathrooms or sports. "I'll just tell them I'm a woman, hurr durr." Get new material if you're going to try to be edgy, Dave. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Elderos@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago Louis CK can jokes about pedos and yet it is hilarious and generally well-received. This joke gives strong "I identify as an attack helicopter" energy. It is not funny, and he's basically just repeating the shitty talking points of right-wing pundits, and without sarcasm. It is humour-by-applause, it is not meant to be a satirical joke, but to have people who agree applause and cheers. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago That's the type of joke someone's uncle would make in the bar after a few too many, or the one you think of and know better than to vocalize it... because it isn't really funny. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 6 points 2 years ago (4 children) I’ve thought for quite some time there’s fertile ground for jokes about the trans experience, but they really need to be told by people who have lived that experience. There is something cosmically funny about being born into one body and feeling it is the wrong one. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] moriquende@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (3 children) why do you think only people who have been trans should be making trans jokes? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 12 points 2 years ago (2 children) In general it takes a level of skill to tell a joke about a marginalized group without punching down that is exceptionally rare. For example, I can think of one or two male comedians who have told rape jokes that did not make rape victims the butt of the joke. If a trans person tells a joke about the trans experience and fucks it up, other trans people won’t feel like a cis person is just adding to the atmosphere of hate toward them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Holyhandgrenade@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago My philosophy of comedy is that you can joke about any tragedy you want, but make it absolutely fucking crystal clear that you are on the victim's side. Plus, punching up is always funnier than punching down. permalink fedilink source parent [–] moriquende@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago I think it definitely needs to be done tactfully and without hate, but joking about one another is an important part of being included and feeling like we all belong together. permalink fedilink source parent [–] The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website 23 points 2 years ago (2 children) Yeah, I gave his most recent specials a shot, but it's mostly just him ranting about his various beefs, which isn't good comedy. Like, there are a handful of decent jokes, but the pacing sucks because he wants to air out all this dirty laundry in between. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] markr@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago At least Lenny had some actual real beefs to whine about. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Elderos@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago First content I watched of him was a special on Netflix years ago, and I just couldn't finish it. Nothing he said punched or was structured as a joke. It really felt he was just having boring discussions with himself. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 58 points 2 years ago (14 children) I'm absolutely fine with trans jokes or dead baby jokes or literally anything, just make sure and not to forget the joke part permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] kellyaster@kbin.social 61 points 2 years ago (8 children) Yeah, these aren't even jokes, more like some weirdass gross power fantasy. “God forbid I ever go to jail. But if I do, I hope it’s in California. Soon as the judge sentences me, I’ll be like, ‘Before you sentence me, I want the court to know I identify as a woman. Send me to a woman’s jail.’ As soon I get in there, you know what I’mma be doing. ‘Give me your fruit cocktail, bitch, before I knock your motherfucking teeth out. I’m a girl, just like you, bitch. Come here and suck this girl dick I got. Don’t make me explain myself. I’m a girl.'” I am trans, and it's hard to not take the insults personally, especially since this "edgy comedy" is coming from a comedian I used to admire and respect. What the fuck, Dave? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 28 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I can’t believe that’s a real joke he told—that’s not even a joke. I honestly haven’t watched any of his polemic ones because I just didn’t care to watch his standup anymore. When he lost his bright, loose energy he used to have during performances, I just wasn’t interested anymore. And now this is how far one of the previous greats has fallen? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] markr@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago It’s a classic. Rape! Ha ha ha. Amirite? It takes true genius to think that up. /s. I had no clue his act was that pathetic. permalink fedilink source parent [–] oakey66@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago You have to be just the ultimate asshole to think this is funny. When he did the equivalent of “my best friend is trans” qualifier on stage, the rabbit hole he went down became pretty obvious. He’s so talented that he doesn’t have a single person who can give him feedback. I guarantee you he’s surrounded by yes men and other comedians who are too chicken shit to say anything. Money and power corrupt always. permalink fedilink source parent [–] tegs_terry@feddit.uk 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's like a ricky gervais joke without the irony. What we have here is a guy with a grudge. He got cut; now he's lashing out. I'm pretty sure jo rowling did the same thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago That's just the recycled joke every conservative talking head has told. It's not even creative. Same joke about bathrooms or sports. "I'll just tell them I'm a woman, hurr durr." Get new material if you're going to try to be edgy, Dave. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Elderos@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago Louis CK can jokes about pedos and yet it is hilarious and generally well-received. This joke gives strong "I identify as an attack helicopter" energy. It is not funny, and he's basically just repeating the shitty talking points of right-wing pundits, and without sarcasm. It is humour-by-applause, it is not meant to be a satirical joke, but to have people who agree applause and cheers. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago That's the type of joke someone's uncle would make in the bar after a few too many, or the one you think of and know better than to vocalize it... because it isn't really funny. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 6 points 2 years ago (4 children) I’ve thought for quite some time there’s fertile ground for jokes about the trans experience, but they really need to be told by people who have lived that experience. There is something cosmically funny about being born into one body and feeling it is the wrong one. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] moriquende@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (3 children) why do you think only people who have been trans should be making trans jokes? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 12 points 2 years ago (2 children) In general it takes a level of skill to tell a joke about a marginalized group without punching down that is exceptionally rare. For example, I can think of one or two male comedians who have told rape jokes that did not make rape victims the butt of the joke. If a trans person tells a joke about the trans experience and fucks it up, other trans people won’t feel like a cis person is just adding to the atmosphere of hate toward them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Holyhandgrenade@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago My philosophy of comedy is that you can joke about any tragedy you want, but make it absolutely fucking crystal clear that you are on the victim's side. Plus, punching up is always funnier than punching down. permalink fedilink source parent [–] moriquende@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago I think it definitely needs to be done tactfully and without hate, but joking about one another is an important part of being included and feeling like we all belong together. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kellyaster@kbin.social 61 points 2 years ago (8 children) Yeah, these aren't even jokes, more like some weirdass gross power fantasy. “God forbid I ever go to jail. But if I do, I hope it’s in California. Soon as the judge sentences me, I’ll be like, ‘Before you sentence me, I want the court to know I identify as a woman. Send me to a woman’s jail.’ As soon I get in there, you know what I’mma be doing. ‘Give me your fruit cocktail, bitch, before I knock your motherfucking teeth out. I’m a girl, just like you, bitch. Come here and suck this girl dick I got. Don’t make me explain myself. I’m a girl.'” I am trans, and it's hard to not take the insults personally, especially since this "edgy comedy" is coming from a comedian I used to admire and respect. What the fuck, Dave? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 28 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I can’t believe that’s a real joke he told—that’s not even a joke. I honestly haven’t watched any of his polemic ones because I just didn’t care to watch his standup anymore. When he lost his bright, loose energy he used to have during performances, I just wasn’t interested anymore. And now this is how far one of the previous greats has fallen? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] markr@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago It’s a classic. Rape! Ha ha ha. Amirite? It takes true genius to think that up. /s. I had no clue his act was that pathetic. permalink fedilink source parent [–] oakey66@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago You have to be just the ultimate asshole to think this is funny. When he did the equivalent of “my best friend is trans” qualifier on stage, the rabbit hole he went down became pretty obvious. He’s so talented that he doesn’t have a single person who can give him feedback. I guarantee you he’s surrounded by yes men and other comedians who are too chicken shit to say anything. Money and power corrupt always. permalink fedilink source parent [–] tegs_terry@feddit.uk 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's like a ricky gervais joke without the irony. What we have here is a guy with a grudge. He got cut; now he's lashing out. I'm pretty sure jo rowling did the same thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago That's just the recycled joke every conservative talking head has told. It's not even creative. Same joke about bathrooms or sports. "I'll just tell them I'm a woman, hurr durr." Get new material if you're going to try to be edgy, Dave. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Elderos@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago Louis CK can jokes about pedos and yet it is hilarious and generally well-received. This joke gives strong "I identify as an attack helicopter" energy. It is not funny, and he's basically just repeating the shitty talking points of right-wing pundits, and without sarcasm. It is humour-by-applause, it is not meant to be a satirical joke, but to have people who agree applause and cheers. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago That's the type of joke someone's uncle would make in the bar after a few too many, or the one you think of and know better than to vocalize it... because it isn't really funny. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 28 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I can’t believe that’s a real joke he told—that’s not even a joke. I honestly haven’t watched any of his polemic ones because I just didn’t care to watch his standup anymore. When he lost his bright, loose energy he used to have during performances, I just wasn’t interested anymore. And now this is how far one of the previous greats has fallen? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] markr@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago It’s a classic. Rape! Ha ha ha. Amirite? It takes true genius to think that up. /s. I had no clue his act was that pathetic. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] markr@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago It’s a classic. Rape! Ha ha ha. Amirite? It takes true genius to think that up. /s. I had no clue his act was that pathetic. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] oakey66@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago You have to be just the ultimate asshole to think this is funny. When he did the equivalent of “my best friend is trans” qualifier on stage, the rabbit hole he went down became pretty obvious. He’s so talented that he doesn’t have a single person who can give him feedback. I guarantee you he’s surrounded by yes men and other comedians who are too chicken shit to say anything. Money and power corrupt always. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tegs_terry@feddit.uk 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's like a ricky gervais joke without the irony. What we have here is a guy with a grudge. He got cut; now he's lashing out. I'm pretty sure jo rowling did the same thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago That's just the recycled joke every conservative talking head has told. It's not even creative. Same joke about bathrooms or sports. "I'll just tell them I'm a woman, hurr durr." Get new material if you're going to try to be edgy, Dave. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Elderos@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago Louis CK can jokes about pedos and yet it is hilarious and generally well-received. This joke gives strong "I identify as an attack helicopter" energy. It is not funny, and he's basically just repeating the shitty talking points of right-wing pundits, and without sarcasm. It is humour-by-applause, it is not meant to be a satirical joke, but to have people who agree applause and cheers. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago That's the type of joke someone's uncle would make in the bar after a few too many, or the one you think of and know better than to vocalize it... because it isn't really funny. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 6 points 2 years ago (4 children) I’ve thought for quite some time there’s fertile ground for jokes about the trans experience, but they really need to be told by people who have lived that experience. There is something cosmically funny about being born into one body and feeling it is the wrong one. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] moriquende@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (3 children) why do you think only people who have been trans should be making trans jokes? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 12 points 2 years ago (2 children) In general it takes a level of skill to tell a joke about a marginalized group without punching down that is exceptionally rare. For example, I can think of one or two male comedians who have told rape jokes that did not make rape victims the butt of the joke. If a trans person tells a joke about the trans experience and fucks it up, other trans people won’t feel like a cis person is just adding to the atmosphere of hate toward them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Holyhandgrenade@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago My philosophy of comedy is that you can joke about any tragedy you want, but make it absolutely fucking crystal clear that you are on the victim's side. Plus, punching up is always funnier than punching down. permalink fedilink source parent [–] moriquende@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago I think it definitely needs to be done tactfully and without hate, but joking about one another is an important part of being included and feeling like we all belong together. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] moriquende@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (3 children) why do you think only people who have been trans should be making trans jokes? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 12 points 2 years ago (2 children) In general it takes a level of skill to tell a joke about a marginalized group without punching down that is exceptionally rare. For example, I can think of one or two male comedians who have told rape jokes that did not make rape victims the butt of the joke. If a trans person tells a joke about the trans experience and fucks it up, other trans people won’t feel like a cis person is just adding to the atmosphere of hate toward them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Holyhandgrenade@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago My philosophy of comedy is that you can joke about any tragedy you want, but make it absolutely fucking crystal clear that you are on the victim's side. Plus, punching up is always funnier than punching down. permalink fedilink source parent [–] moriquende@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago I think it definitely needs to be done tactfully and without hate, but joking about one another is an important part of being included and feeling like we all belong together. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 12 points 2 years ago (2 children) In general it takes a level of skill to tell a joke about a marginalized group without punching down that is exceptionally rare. For example, I can think of one or two male comedians who have told rape jokes that did not make rape victims the butt of the joke. If a trans person tells a joke about the trans experience and fucks it up, other trans people won’t feel like a cis person is just adding to the atmosphere of hate toward them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Holyhandgrenade@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago My philosophy of comedy is that you can joke about any tragedy you want, but make it absolutely fucking crystal clear that you are on the victim's side. Plus, punching up is always funnier than punching down. permalink fedilink source parent [–] moriquende@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago I think it definitely needs to be done tactfully and without hate, but joking about one another is an important part of being included and feeling like we all belong together. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Holyhandgrenade@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago My philosophy of comedy is that you can joke about any tragedy you want, but make it absolutely fucking crystal clear that you are on the victim's side. Plus, punching up is always funnier than punching down. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] moriquende@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago I think it definitely needs to be done tactfully and without hate, but joking about one another is an important part of being included and feeling like we all belong together. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website 23 points 2 years ago (2 children) Yeah, I gave his most recent specials a shot, but it's mostly just him ranting about his various beefs, which isn't good comedy. Like, there are a handful of decent jokes, but the pacing sucks because he wants to air out all this dirty laundry in between. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] markr@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago At least Lenny had some actual real beefs to whine about. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Elderos@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago First content I watched of him was a special on Netflix years ago, and I just couldn't finish it. Nothing he said punched or was structured as a joke. It really felt he was just having boring discussions with himself. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] markr@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago At least Lenny had some actual real beefs to whine about. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Elderos@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago First content I watched of him was a special on Netflix years ago, and I just couldn't finish it. Nothing he said punched or was structured as a joke. It really felt he was just having boring discussions with himself. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago Yeah the Chappelle show, then he came back convinced he was both special and a victim. My grandfather this, rich people in a room that, being black in America is the same as going to war. He is a prick without nuance. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GrammatonCleric@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago You mean when he had a banger of a co-writer 😂 permalink fedilink source parent