▲ 285 ▼ SpaceX blasts FCC as it refuses to reinstate Starlink’s $886 million grant (arstechnica.com) submitted 2 years ago by L4s@lemmy.world [M, B] to c/technology@lemmy.world 119 comments fedilink hide all child comments SpaceX blasts FCC as it refuses to reinstate Starlink’s $886 million grant::FCC doubts ability to provide high-speed, low-latency service in all grant areas.
[–] wahming@monyet.cc 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes. Verizon, AT&T et al permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world -5 points 2 years ago* (1 child) They pulled wire for miles to service rural areas and are maintaining a network to service rural customers. The BOCs are why there are RUS funds permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wahming@monyet.cc 31 points 2 years ago (2 children) They were paid to provide broadband services to the rural areas. As millions of people living in the rural areas can attest, the majority of their promises were not fulfilled. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] robotopera@sh.itjust.works 22 points 2 years ago They've been paid multiple times to do it. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world -26 points 2 years ago (2 children) No. They were paid to provide services, which is what they did/do. The rural customers pay no more than urban customers but use a hell of a lot lot more infrastructure. Broadband is now a service that can be used for RUS, that's all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Brkdncr@sh.itjust.works 25 points 2 years ago (1 child) Hi, it’s me with my rural community that doesn’t have service at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world -10 points 2 years ago (2 children) Whereabouts permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 13 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I have friends who live within a handful of miles of DC with ZERO wired infrastructure. Fortunately that part of the US is pretty flat, and an LTE provider decided to cover the area. Mind, they're about 1 mile from a major highway, so it's not like they're in the back woods. The cable company was paid to build to that area 40 years ago, but never did it. I agree building out wired infrastructure seems to make the most sense, as it's pretty robust, and we're often finding new ways to increase effective bandwidth (even on good old telephone wires). But it's a bit of chicken and egg, like any network infrastructure (water, sewer, roads, bridges, etc). Edit: Keep in mind over 60% of the US population resides on the East Coast, between Boston and Georgia. So building infrastructure there is high bang for the buck. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago At one time, I reviewed the entire telecom operations structure in DC in as a vendor conditioning exercise. Considering what DC has, I'm very surprised. If the wired network is far enough away, a digital line isn't viable. But, roads are usually covered for mobile phone. I would see if the local mobile operators, like Verizon, might have 5G available. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Brkdncr@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago One of the desert communities. permalink fedilink source parent [–] wahming@monyet.cc 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) RUS Just so we're clear, the discussion here is not about RUS, but the Rural Broadband Initiative. ISPs were paid billions to bring broadband services to the countryside. They took the money and did nothing with it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world -15 points 2 years ago (1 child) Rural Utility Service is the government body where the initiative exists. Hard to bring a true broadband to rural areas. For any decent customer penetration you need radio. IDK, but I think 5G qualifies if there isn't a range problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HerrBeter@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sweden got fiber to small communities and towns 20 years ago permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sweden is a much smaller country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HerrBeter@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago And there is a lot more people living in the US permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world -5 points 2 years ago* (1 child) They pulled wire for miles to service rural areas and are maintaining a network to service rural customers. The BOCs are why there are RUS funds permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wahming@monyet.cc 31 points 2 years ago (2 children) They were paid to provide broadband services to the rural areas. As millions of people living in the rural areas can attest, the majority of their promises were not fulfilled. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] robotopera@sh.itjust.works 22 points 2 years ago They've been paid multiple times to do it. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world -26 points 2 years ago (2 children) No. They were paid to provide services, which is what they did/do. The rural customers pay no more than urban customers but use a hell of a lot lot more infrastructure. Broadband is now a service that can be used for RUS, that's all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Brkdncr@sh.itjust.works 25 points 2 years ago (1 child) Hi, it’s me with my rural community that doesn’t have service at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world -10 points 2 years ago (2 children) Whereabouts permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 13 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I have friends who live within a handful of miles of DC with ZERO wired infrastructure. Fortunately that part of the US is pretty flat, and an LTE provider decided to cover the area. Mind, they're about 1 mile from a major highway, so it's not like they're in the back woods. The cable company was paid to build to that area 40 years ago, but never did it. I agree building out wired infrastructure seems to make the most sense, as it's pretty robust, and we're often finding new ways to increase effective bandwidth (even on good old telephone wires). But it's a bit of chicken and egg, like any network infrastructure (water, sewer, roads, bridges, etc). Edit: Keep in mind over 60% of the US population resides on the East Coast, between Boston and Georgia. So building infrastructure there is high bang for the buck. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago At one time, I reviewed the entire telecom operations structure in DC in as a vendor conditioning exercise. Considering what DC has, I'm very surprised. If the wired network is far enough away, a digital line isn't viable. But, roads are usually covered for mobile phone. I would see if the local mobile operators, like Verizon, might have 5G available. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Brkdncr@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago One of the desert communities. permalink fedilink source parent [–] wahming@monyet.cc 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) RUS Just so we're clear, the discussion here is not about RUS, but the Rural Broadband Initiative. ISPs were paid billions to bring broadband services to the countryside. They took the money and did nothing with it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world -15 points 2 years ago (1 child) Rural Utility Service is the government body where the initiative exists. Hard to bring a true broadband to rural areas. For any decent customer penetration you need radio. IDK, but I think 5G qualifies if there isn't a range problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HerrBeter@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sweden got fiber to small communities and towns 20 years ago permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sweden is a much smaller country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HerrBeter@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago And there is a lot more people living in the US permalink fedilink source parent
[–] wahming@monyet.cc 31 points 2 years ago (2 children) They were paid to provide broadband services to the rural areas. As millions of people living in the rural areas can attest, the majority of their promises were not fulfilled. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] robotopera@sh.itjust.works 22 points 2 years ago They've been paid multiple times to do it. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world -26 points 2 years ago (2 children) No. They were paid to provide services, which is what they did/do. The rural customers pay no more than urban customers but use a hell of a lot lot more infrastructure. Broadband is now a service that can be used for RUS, that's all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Brkdncr@sh.itjust.works 25 points 2 years ago (1 child) Hi, it’s me with my rural community that doesn’t have service at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world -10 points 2 years ago (2 children) Whereabouts permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 13 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I have friends who live within a handful of miles of DC with ZERO wired infrastructure. Fortunately that part of the US is pretty flat, and an LTE provider decided to cover the area. Mind, they're about 1 mile from a major highway, so it's not like they're in the back woods. The cable company was paid to build to that area 40 years ago, but never did it. I agree building out wired infrastructure seems to make the most sense, as it's pretty robust, and we're often finding new ways to increase effective bandwidth (even on good old telephone wires). But it's a bit of chicken and egg, like any network infrastructure (water, sewer, roads, bridges, etc). Edit: Keep in mind over 60% of the US population resides on the East Coast, between Boston and Georgia. So building infrastructure there is high bang for the buck. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago At one time, I reviewed the entire telecom operations structure in DC in as a vendor conditioning exercise. Considering what DC has, I'm very surprised. If the wired network is far enough away, a digital line isn't viable. But, roads are usually covered for mobile phone. I would see if the local mobile operators, like Verizon, might have 5G available. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Brkdncr@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago One of the desert communities. permalink fedilink source parent [–] wahming@monyet.cc 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) RUS Just so we're clear, the discussion here is not about RUS, but the Rural Broadband Initiative. ISPs were paid billions to bring broadband services to the countryside. They took the money and did nothing with it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world -15 points 2 years ago (1 child) Rural Utility Service is the government body where the initiative exists. Hard to bring a true broadband to rural areas. For any decent customer penetration you need radio. IDK, but I think 5G qualifies if there isn't a range problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HerrBeter@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sweden got fiber to small communities and towns 20 years ago permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sweden is a much smaller country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HerrBeter@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago And there is a lot more people living in the US permalink fedilink source parent
[–] robotopera@sh.itjust.works 22 points 2 years ago They've been paid multiple times to do it. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world -26 points 2 years ago (2 children) No. They were paid to provide services, which is what they did/do. The rural customers pay no more than urban customers but use a hell of a lot lot more infrastructure. Broadband is now a service that can be used for RUS, that's all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Brkdncr@sh.itjust.works 25 points 2 years ago (1 child) Hi, it’s me with my rural community that doesn’t have service at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world -10 points 2 years ago (2 children) Whereabouts permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 13 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I have friends who live within a handful of miles of DC with ZERO wired infrastructure. Fortunately that part of the US is pretty flat, and an LTE provider decided to cover the area. Mind, they're about 1 mile from a major highway, so it's not like they're in the back woods. The cable company was paid to build to that area 40 years ago, but never did it. I agree building out wired infrastructure seems to make the most sense, as it's pretty robust, and we're often finding new ways to increase effective bandwidth (even on good old telephone wires). But it's a bit of chicken and egg, like any network infrastructure (water, sewer, roads, bridges, etc). Edit: Keep in mind over 60% of the US population resides on the East Coast, between Boston and Georgia. So building infrastructure there is high bang for the buck. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago At one time, I reviewed the entire telecom operations structure in DC in as a vendor conditioning exercise. Considering what DC has, I'm very surprised. If the wired network is far enough away, a digital line isn't viable. But, roads are usually covered for mobile phone. I would see if the local mobile operators, like Verizon, might have 5G available. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Brkdncr@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago One of the desert communities. permalink fedilink source parent [–] wahming@monyet.cc 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) RUS Just so we're clear, the discussion here is not about RUS, but the Rural Broadband Initiative. ISPs were paid billions to bring broadband services to the countryside. They took the money and did nothing with it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world -15 points 2 years ago (1 child) Rural Utility Service is the government body where the initiative exists. Hard to bring a true broadband to rural areas. For any decent customer penetration you need radio. IDK, but I think 5G qualifies if there isn't a range problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HerrBeter@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sweden got fiber to small communities and towns 20 years ago permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sweden is a much smaller country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HerrBeter@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago And there is a lot more people living in the US permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Brkdncr@sh.itjust.works 25 points 2 years ago (1 child) Hi, it’s me with my rural community that doesn’t have service at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world -10 points 2 years ago (2 children) Whereabouts permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 13 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I have friends who live within a handful of miles of DC with ZERO wired infrastructure. Fortunately that part of the US is pretty flat, and an LTE provider decided to cover the area. Mind, they're about 1 mile from a major highway, so it's not like they're in the back woods. The cable company was paid to build to that area 40 years ago, but never did it. I agree building out wired infrastructure seems to make the most sense, as it's pretty robust, and we're often finding new ways to increase effective bandwidth (even on good old telephone wires). But it's a bit of chicken and egg, like any network infrastructure (water, sewer, roads, bridges, etc). Edit: Keep in mind over 60% of the US population resides on the East Coast, between Boston and Georgia. So building infrastructure there is high bang for the buck. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago At one time, I reviewed the entire telecom operations structure in DC in as a vendor conditioning exercise. Considering what DC has, I'm very surprised. If the wired network is far enough away, a digital line isn't viable. But, roads are usually covered for mobile phone. I would see if the local mobile operators, like Verizon, might have 5G available. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Brkdncr@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago One of the desert communities. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world -10 points 2 years ago (2 children) Whereabouts permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 13 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I have friends who live within a handful of miles of DC with ZERO wired infrastructure. Fortunately that part of the US is pretty flat, and an LTE provider decided to cover the area. Mind, they're about 1 mile from a major highway, so it's not like they're in the back woods. The cable company was paid to build to that area 40 years ago, but never did it. I agree building out wired infrastructure seems to make the most sense, as it's pretty robust, and we're often finding new ways to increase effective bandwidth (even on good old telephone wires). But it's a bit of chicken and egg, like any network infrastructure (water, sewer, roads, bridges, etc). Edit: Keep in mind over 60% of the US population resides on the East Coast, between Boston and Georgia. So building infrastructure there is high bang for the buck. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago At one time, I reviewed the entire telecom operations structure in DC in as a vendor conditioning exercise. Considering what DC has, I'm very surprised. If the wired network is far enough away, a digital line isn't viable. But, roads are usually covered for mobile phone. I would see if the local mobile operators, like Verizon, might have 5G available. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Brkdncr@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago One of the desert communities. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 13 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I have friends who live within a handful of miles of DC with ZERO wired infrastructure. Fortunately that part of the US is pretty flat, and an LTE provider decided to cover the area. Mind, they're about 1 mile from a major highway, so it's not like they're in the back woods. The cable company was paid to build to that area 40 years ago, but never did it. I agree building out wired infrastructure seems to make the most sense, as it's pretty robust, and we're often finding new ways to increase effective bandwidth (even on good old telephone wires). But it's a bit of chicken and egg, like any network infrastructure (water, sewer, roads, bridges, etc). Edit: Keep in mind over 60% of the US population resides on the East Coast, between Boston and Georgia. So building infrastructure there is high bang for the buck. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago At one time, I reviewed the entire telecom operations structure in DC in as a vendor conditioning exercise. Considering what DC has, I'm very surprised. If the wired network is far enough away, a digital line isn't viable. But, roads are usually covered for mobile phone. I would see if the local mobile operators, like Verizon, might have 5G available. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago At one time, I reviewed the entire telecom operations structure in DC in as a vendor conditioning exercise. Considering what DC has, I'm very surprised. If the wired network is far enough away, a digital line isn't viable. But, roads are usually covered for mobile phone. I would see if the local mobile operators, like Verizon, might have 5G available. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Brkdncr@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago One of the desert communities. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] wahming@monyet.cc 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) RUS Just so we're clear, the discussion here is not about RUS, but the Rural Broadband Initiative. ISPs were paid billions to bring broadband services to the countryside. They took the money and did nothing with it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world -15 points 2 years ago (1 child) Rural Utility Service is the government body where the initiative exists. Hard to bring a true broadband to rural areas. For any decent customer penetration you need radio. IDK, but I think 5G qualifies if there isn't a range problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HerrBeter@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sweden got fiber to small communities and towns 20 years ago permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sweden is a much smaller country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HerrBeter@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago And there is a lot more people living in the US permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world -15 points 2 years ago (1 child) Rural Utility Service is the government body where the initiative exists. Hard to bring a true broadband to rural areas. For any decent customer penetration you need radio. IDK, but I think 5G qualifies if there isn't a range problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HerrBeter@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sweden got fiber to small communities and towns 20 years ago permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sweden is a much smaller country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HerrBeter@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago And there is a lot more people living in the US permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HerrBeter@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sweden got fiber to small communities and towns 20 years ago permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sweden is a much smaller country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HerrBeter@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago And there is a lot more people living in the US permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sweden is a much smaller country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HerrBeter@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago And there is a lot more people living in the US permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HerrBeter@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago And there is a lot more people living in the US permalink fedilink source parent