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Dutch people of Lemmygrad, what are you going to vote on Novemberd 22nd? (lemmygrad.ml)

submitted 1 year ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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I know, I know: parliamentary politics won't save us etc. But I will at least try to vote if I have the chance.

It's my first time voting from a foreign country. Many of the decisions the parties make won't have an influence on me. I will vote Bij1 because they at least resemble some sort of a left wing party and some of their members are marxists. Also, their stance on Palestine is the best of any Dutch party. I think I'll just vote Edson Olf.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not from the Netherlands, but I took a quick glance through it's political parties and Bij1 seems to be the better choice. There's a lot of right wing crappy parties it seems.

But if you're voting as an emigrant, doesn't it mean your vote is pretty much useless? Here in Portugal, emigrants only get 4 seats in the parliament, so it's always the 2 big parties that get all those seats. I don't mind much, since they all seem to be reactionary.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Immigrants don't get to vote here. Except in local elections for city councils.

In democratic Europe I haven't been allowed to vote in over 20 years as Ireland doesn't allow voting for non residents even if you're a citizen.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Immigrant ≠ Emigrant

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Huh? What do you mean?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Immigrant means a foreign person who moved to your country.

Emigrant means a person from your country who moved to another country.

Emigrants (Portuguese nationals outside Portugal) can vote in Portuguese elections, they have their own Hondt "circle".

Immigrants (foreigners who move to Portugal) can't vote in national elections, unless they obtain nationality.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Emigrant means a person from your country who moved to another country.

No this is incorrect. I have no idea why you or the other poster is telling me this. It's strange.

I'm from Ireland, I live in the Netherlands. I am an immigrant to here, I emigrated from Ireland, I'm both an emigrant and an immigrant. My original statements was the immigrants can't vote in NL, obviously if they become citizens they can.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I understand, I was not saying you couldn't be both, I'm talking in the context of national elections. The confusion might have started because the original poster you replied to was talking about Emigrants from the Netherlands, not Immigrants to the Netherlands (who would be considered Emigrants in their country of origin).