▲ 135 ▼ YouTube is now fully blocking ad blockers around the world (9to5google.com) submitted 2 years ago by ijeff@lemdro.id [M] to c/google@lemdro.id 42 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] weeahnn@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago (1 child) Still wondering how this will play out in the EU. permalink fedilink source hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] krigo666@lemmy.world 28 points 2 years ago* (2 children) It might actually be illegal in the EU for them to run scripts to detect ad blockers without asking permission first. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] weeahnn@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah, that's why I'm really curious about how this will play out. I just hope that people will be the ones benefiting from this shitshow and not Youtube. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 0xD@infosec.pub 1 point 2 years ago YouTube is a for-profit service run by a company. If they can't make it profitable due to low premium adoption or regulation there will be less freedom to post/view stuff on there. There will be no upside for users. Everyone should really reevaluate their stance on premium services and the value they get out of them. The time of free is over - even something like lemmy needs funding. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ottomateeverything@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) So then they'll just embed them into the video, refuse to serve the video until the time is up, etc. Running clientside snooping scripts is only one way for them to enforce this. The idea that EU law will somehow force YouTube to just serving you content without ads is entirely copium. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Moneo@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (2 children) A black screen is infinitely less annoying than an ad. I don't see google winning this battle. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] NightOwl@lemmy.one 4 points 2 years ago Yep, been common for sports streams where you get a notification that game is on break or something and play will resume once game starts again. Preferable over ads to me. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ottomateeverything@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago OK? That's still not Google "losing" some battle. The point was the legality of their current implementation isn't going to change whether they give in and just serve you the content like the OP was claiming permalink fedilink source parent [–] originalfrozenbanana@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) So? Let them make those changes then. That’s additional complexity and effort. They absolutely scoped that implementation against the one they chose and chose not to do it. Forcing them to spend the effort is still meaningful. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] xkforce@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (3 children) You really dont want them embedding ads into videos like that. There'd be no blocking them and no way to download them without the ads baked right into the video file. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] SomeoneSomewhere@lemmy.nz 3 points 2 years ago SponserBlock provides defenses against that with minor modifications. It's been suggested that that would be an absolute last ditch effort because it trashes your ability to display targeted ads or update them without absolutely wrecking your CDNs. You also can't have the ad link to anything because that would allow the client to trivially detect and skip it. Ad Nauseam also provides the nuclear option of downloading the ads, pretending to display them, and even pretending to click them. You might still have to wait out the delay for while the ad should be playing for the first ad, but once you get past that they can't prevent the player skipping ads without also preventing you skipping 30s of boring content. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Moneo@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago People will figure out a sponsorblock-esque crowdsourced ad detection that auto skips everything that isn't part of the video. permalink fedilink source parent [–] originalfrozenbanana@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago That’s a significantly less profitable ad model. If they wanna shoot themselves, let them permalink fedilink source parent
[–] krigo666@lemmy.world 28 points 2 years ago* (2 children) It might actually be illegal in the EU for them to run scripts to detect ad blockers without asking permission first. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] weeahnn@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah, that's why I'm really curious about how this will play out. I just hope that people will be the ones benefiting from this shitshow and not Youtube. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 0xD@infosec.pub 1 point 2 years ago YouTube is a for-profit service run by a company. If they can't make it profitable due to low premium adoption or regulation there will be less freedom to post/view stuff on there. There will be no upside for users. Everyone should really reevaluate their stance on premium services and the value they get out of them. The time of free is over - even something like lemmy needs funding. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ottomateeverything@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) So then they'll just embed them into the video, refuse to serve the video until the time is up, etc. Running clientside snooping scripts is only one way for them to enforce this. The idea that EU law will somehow force YouTube to just serving you content without ads is entirely copium. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Moneo@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (2 children) A black screen is infinitely less annoying than an ad. I don't see google winning this battle. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] NightOwl@lemmy.one 4 points 2 years ago Yep, been common for sports streams where you get a notification that game is on break or something and play will resume once game starts again. Preferable over ads to me. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ottomateeverything@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago OK? That's still not Google "losing" some battle. The point was the legality of their current implementation isn't going to change whether they give in and just serve you the content like the OP was claiming permalink fedilink source parent [–] originalfrozenbanana@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) So? Let them make those changes then. That’s additional complexity and effort. They absolutely scoped that implementation against the one they chose and chose not to do it. Forcing them to spend the effort is still meaningful. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] xkforce@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (3 children) You really dont want them embedding ads into videos like that. There'd be no blocking them and no way to download them without the ads baked right into the video file. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] SomeoneSomewhere@lemmy.nz 3 points 2 years ago SponserBlock provides defenses against that with minor modifications. It's been suggested that that would be an absolute last ditch effort because it trashes your ability to display targeted ads or update them without absolutely wrecking your CDNs. You also can't have the ad link to anything because that would allow the client to trivially detect and skip it. Ad Nauseam also provides the nuclear option of downloading the ads, pretending to display them, and even pretending to click them. You might still have to wait out the delay for while the ad should be playing for the first ad, but once you get past that they can't prevent the player skipping ads without also preventing you skipping 30s of boring content. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Moneo@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago People will figure out a sponsorblock-esque crowdsourced ad detection that auto skips everything that isn't part of the video. permalink fedilink source parent [–] originalfrozenbanana@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago That’s a significantly less profitable ad model. If they wanna shoot themselves, let them permalink fedilink source parent
[–] weeahnn@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah, that's why I'm really curious about how this will play out. I just hope that people will be the ones benefiting from this shitshow and not Youtube. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 0xD@infosec.pub 1 point 2 years ago YouTube is a for-profit service run by a company. If they can't make it profitable due to low premium adoption or regulation there will be less freedom to post/view stuff on there. There will be no upside for users. Everyone should really reevaluate their stance on premium services and the value they get out of them. The time of free is over - even something like lemmy needs funding. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 0xD@infosec.pub 1 point 2 years ago YouTube is a for-profit service run by a company. If they can't make it profitable due to low premium adoption or regulation there will be less freedom to post/view stuff on there. There will be no upside for users. Everyone should really reevaluate their stance on premium services and the value they get out of them. The time of free is over - even something like lemmy needs funding. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ottomateeverything@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) So then they'll just embed them into the video, refuse to serve the video until the time is up, etc. Running clientside snooping scripts is only one way for them to enforce this. The idea that EU law will somehow force YouTube to just serving you content without ads is entirely copium. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Moneo@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (2 children) A black screen is infinitely less annoying than an ad. I don't see google winning this battle. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] NightOwl@lemmy.one 4 points 2 years ago Yep, been common for sports streams where you get a notification that game is on break or something and play will resume once game starts again. Preferable over ads to me. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ottomateeverything@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago OK? That's still not Google "losing" some battle. The point was the legality of their current implementation isn't going to change whether they give in and just serve you the content like the OP was claiming permalink fedilink source parent [–] originalfrozenbanana@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) So? Let them make those changes then. That’s additional complexity and effort. They absolutely scoped that implementation against the one they chose and chose not to do it. Forcing them to spend the effort is still meaningful. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] xkforce@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (3 children) You really dont want them embedding ads into videos like that. There'd be no blocking them and no way to download them without the ads baked right into the video file. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] SomeoneSomewhere@lemmy.nz 3 points 2 years ago SponserBlock provides defenses against that with minor modifications. It's been suggested that that would be an absolute last ditch effort because it trashes your ability to display targeted ads or update them without absolutely wrecking your CDNs. You also can't have the ad link to anything because that would allow the client to trivially detect and skip it. Ad Nauseam also provides the nuclear option of downloading the ads, pretending to display them, and even pretending to click them. You might still have to wait out the delay for while the ad should be playing for the first ad, but once you get past that they can't prevent the player skipping ads without also preventing you skipping 30s of boring content. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Moneo@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago People will figure out a sponsorblock-esque crowdsourced ad detection that auto skips everything that isn't part of the video. permalink fedilink source parent [–] originalfrozenbanana@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago That’s a significantly less profitable ad model. If they wanna shoot themselves, let them permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Moneo@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (2 children) A black screen is infinitely less annoying than an ad. I don't see google winning this battle. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] NightOwl@lemmy.one 4 points 2 years ago Yep, been common for sports streams where you get a notification that game is on break or something and play will resume once game starts again. Preferable over ads to me. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ottomateeverything@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago OK? That's still not Google "losing" some battle. The point was the legality of their current implementation isn't going to change whether they give in and just serve you the content like the OP was claiming permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NightOwl@lemmy.one 4 points 2 years ago Yep, been common for sports streams where you get a notification that game is on break or something and play will resume once game starts again. Preferable over ads to me. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ottomateeverything@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago OK? That's still not Google "losing" some battle. The point was the legality of their current implementation isn't going to change whether they give in and just serve you the content like the OP was claiming permalink fedilink source parent
[–] originalfrozenbanana@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) So? Let them make those changes then. That’s additional complexity and effort. They absolutely scoped that implementation against the one they chose and chose not to do it. Forcing them to spend the effort is still meaningful. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] xkforce@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (3 children) You really dont want them embedding ads into videos like that. There'd be no blocking them and no way to download them without the ads baked right into the video file. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] SomeoneSomewhere@lemmy.nz 3 points 2 years ago SponserBlock provides defenses against that with minor modifications. It's been suggested that that would be an absolute last ditch effort because it trashes your ability to display targeted ads or update them without absolutely wrecking your CDNs. You also can't have the ad link to anything because that would allow the client to trivially detect and skip it. Ad Nauseam also provides the nuclear option of downloading the ads, pretending to display them, and even pretending to click them. You might still have to wait out the delay for while the ad should be playing for the first ad, but once you get past that they can't prevent the player skipping ads without also preventing you skipping 30s of boring content. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Moneo@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago People will figure out a sponsorblock-esque crowdsourced ad detection that auto skips everything that isn't part of the video. permalink fedilink source parent [–] originalfrozenbanana@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago That’s a significantly less profitable ad model. If they wanna shoot themselves, let them permalink fedilink source parent
[–] xkforce@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (3 children) You really dont want them embedding ads into videos like that. There'd be no blocking them and no way to download them without the ads baked right into the video file. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] SomeoneSomewhere@lemmy.nz 3 points 2 years ago SponserBlock provides defenses against that with minor modifications. It's been suggested that that would be an absolute last ditch effort because it trashes your ability to display targeted ads or update them without absolutely wrecking your CDNs. You also can't have the ad link to anything because that would allow the client to trivially detect and skip it. Ad Nauseam also provides the nuclear option of downloading the ads, pretending to display them, and even pretending to click them. You might still have to wait out the delay for while the ad should be playing for the first ad, but once you get past that they can't prevent the player skipping ads without also preventing you skipping 30s of boring content. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Moneo@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago People will figure out a sponsorblock-esque crowdsourced ad detection that auto skips everything that isn't part of the video. permalink fedilink source parent [–] originalfrozenbanana@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago That’s a significantly less profitable ad model. If they wanna shoot themselves, let them permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SomeoneSomewhere@lemmy.nz 3 points 2 years ago SponserBlock provides defenses against that with minor modifications. It's been suggested that that would be an absolute last ditch effort because it trashes your ability to display targeted ads or update them without absolutely wrecking your CDNs. You also can't have the ad link to anything because that would allow the client to trivially detect and skip it. Ad Nauseam also provides the nuclear option of downloading the ads, pretending to display them, and even pretending to click them. You might still have to wait out the delay for while the ad should be playing for the first ad, but once you get past that they can't prevent the player skipping ads without also preventing you skipping 30s of boring content. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Moneo@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago People will figure out a sponsorblock-esque crowdsourced ad detection that auto skips everything that isn't part of the video. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] originalfrozenbanana@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago That’s a significantly less profitable ad model. If they wanna shoot themselves, let them permalink fedilink source parent