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Targeting the Teacher (lemmy.world)
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[+] -10 points 2 years ago (7 children)

I believe the quote goes, "Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither."

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    I get the essence of that quote but I feel it falls apart under any scrutiny. Drunk driving laws are widely agreed to be a good idea but that would fall until the category of sacrificing liberty.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    And there is exactly where a libertarian's entire argument falls apart. Rational people obviously know such words are idealistic and hyperbolic, and would ostensibly craft laws to balance personal liberties and public safety. The thing is, there's a cold truth behind it that is important not to forget or ignore. It hints at the slippery slope of regulation into oppression, and that's a very real danger to us today as much as it was back then.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    No one talks about the slippery slope in the other direction where lack of regulation leads to weekly mass murders. Of course there's no actual evidence of either of those outcomes happening, right? Right?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    How do you figure? As far as I can tell, that conversation happens all the damn time. Not among anyone who SHOULD be having it, but I hear it happen all the time regardless. But you knew that... Same as you knew that there's an abundance of evidence to prove your sarcasm is seriously unfounded because there's PLENTY of evidence of both of those things being a thing. I'm beginning to believe that some people are intentionally creating straw man arguments and being deliberately hyperbolic while presenting their arguments as rational and balanced. Weird.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    But we all already sacrifice our liberty for security constantly. I sacrifice my liberty to bite anyone I want, in order to live in a society where I’m unlikely to be bitten.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    it is illegal to bite someone. It is also illegal to shoot someone. unless you are talking about a tooth ban, this does not apply.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    I gave up my freedom by deciding to follow laws. You don’t have to. There are consequences, but if you decide to disappear into the wilderness and avoid people, you can do whatever you want

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