▲ 170 ▼ In NYC, companies will have to prove their AI hiring software isn't sexist or racist (www.nbcnews.com) submitted 3 years ago by Odusei@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world 28 comments fedilink hide all child comments AI-infused hiring programs have drawn scrutiny, most notably over whether they end up exhibiting biases based on the data they’re trained on.
[–] cornbread@lemm.ee 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) What would unbiased results look like? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Odusei@lemmy.world [S] 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) When the demographics of the output are roughly equivalent to the demographics of the input. If ten men and fifty women apply, and eight men and two women are hired, that is worth investigating. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cornbread@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) That would be a pretty extreme bias to have, so yeah that would make sense. If it’s not so drastic it might be harder to spot by just looking at the results. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Odusei@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) It’s a flag, not the entire investigation. If something seems suspicious, that’s the queue to investigate, not just immediately slap cuffs on someone. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cornbread@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Right, that’s why I was trying to ask you for your opinion on what the threshold for “investigation worthy” results permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Odusei@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) I’m not a policy expert, author of the bill, or in charge of the department that will lead these investigations. Even if I were an expert on the subject, what I’d do and what this department will do aren’t likely to be the same. I just support civilian oversight and audits of these algorithms and LLMs as they take up a more prominent position in hiring and firing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cornbread@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago* I figure you’d audit it by examining the results, and if bias isn’t detectable in the results I was just asking for more info on how you’d examine the results for bias since it would need to be pretty extreme like the example you gave to be identifiable as something worth investigating. All good if you don’t have a more specific answer, I was just curious what your personal thoughts were here. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Odusei@lemmy.world [S] 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) When the demographics of the output are roughly equivalent to the demographics of the input. If ten men and fifty women apply, and eight men and two women are hired, that is worth investigating. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cornbread@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) That would be a pretty extreme bias to have, so yeah that would make sense. If it’s not so drastic it might be harder to spot by just looking at the results. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Odusei@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) It’s a flag, not the entire investigation. If something seems suspicious, that’s the queue to investigate, not just immediately slap cuffs on someone. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cornbread@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Right, that’s why I was trying to ask you for your opinion on what the threshold for “investigation worthy” results permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Odusei@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) I’m not a policy expert, author of the bill, or in charge of the department that will lead these investigations. Even if I were an expert on the subject, what I’d do and what this department will do aren’t likely to be the same. I just support civilian oversight and audits of these algorithms and LLMs as they take up a more prominent position in hiring and firing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cornbread@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago* I figure you’d audit it by examining the results, and if bias isn’t detectable in the results I was just asking for more info on how you’d examine the results for bias since it would need to be pretty extreme like the example you gave to be identifiable as something worth investigating. All good if you don’t have a more specific answer, I was just curious what your personal thoughts were here. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cornbread@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) That would be a pretty extreme bias to have, so yeah that would make sense. If it’s not so drastic it might be harder to spot by just looking at the results. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Odusei@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) It’s a flag, not the entire investigation. If something seems suspicious, that’s the queue to investigate, not just immediately slap cuffs on someone. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cornbread@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Right, that’s why I was trying to ask you for your opinion on what the threshold for “investigation worthy” results permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Odusei@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) I’m not a policy expert, author of the bill, or in charge of the department that will lead these investigations. Even if I were an expert on the subject, what I’d do and what this department will do aren’t likely to be the same. I just support civilian oversight and audits of these algorithms and LLMs as they take up a more prominent position in hiring and firing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cornbread@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago* I figure you’d audit it by examining the results, and if bias isn’t detectable in the results I was just asking for more info on how you’d examine the results for bias since it would need to be pretty extreme like the example you gave to be identifiable as something worth investigating. All good if you don’t have a more specific answer, I was just curious what your personal thoughts were here. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Odusei@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) It’s a flag, not the entire investigation. If something seems suspicious, that’s the queue to investigate, not just immediately slap cuffs on someone. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cornbread@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Right, that’s why I was trying to ask you for your opinion on what the threshold for “investigation worthy” results permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Odusei@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) I’m not a policy expert, author of the bill, or in charge of the department that will lead these investigations. Even if I were an expert on the subject, what I’d do and what this department will do aren’t likely to be the same. I just support civilian oversight and audits of these algorithms and LLMs as they take up a more prominent position in hiring and firing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cornbread@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago* I figure you’d audit it by examining the results, and if bias isn’t detectable in the results I was just asking for more info on how you’d examine the results for bias since it would need to be pretty extreme like the example you gave to be identifiable as something worth investigating. All good if you don’t have a more specific answer, I was just curious what your personal thoughts were here. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cornbread@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Right, that’s why I was trying to ask you for your opinion on what the threshold for “investigation worthy” results permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Odusei@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) I’m not a policy expert, author of the bill, or in charge of the department that will lead these investigations. Even if I were an expert on the subject, what I’d do and what this department will do aren’t likely to be the same. I just support civilian oversight and audits of these algorithms and LLMs as they take up a more prominent position in hiring and firing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cornbread@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago* I figure you’d audit it by examining the results, and if bias isn’t detectable in the results I was just asking for more info on how you’d examine the results for bias since it would need to be pretty extreme like the example you gave to be identifiable as something worth investigating. All good if you don’t have a more specific answer, I was just curious what your personal thoughts were here. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Odusei@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) I’m not a policy expert, author of the bill, or in charge of the department that will lead these investigations. Even if I were an expert on the subject, what I’d do and what this department will do aren’t likely to be the same. I just support civilian oversight and audits of these algorithms and LLMs as they take up a more prominent position in hiring and firing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cornbread@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago* I figure you’d audit it by examining the results, and if bias isn’t detectable in the results I was just asking for more info on how you’d examine the results for bias since it would need to be pretty extreme like the example you gave to be identifiable as something worth investigating. All good if you don’t have a more specific answer, I was just curious what your personal thoughts were here. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cornbread@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago* I figure you’d audit it by examining the results, and if bias isn’t detectable in the results I was just asking for more info on how you’d examine the results for bias since it would need to be pretty extreme like the example you gave to be identifiable as something worth investigating. All good if you don’t have a more specific answer, I was just curious what your personal thoughts were here. permalink fedilink source parent