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the empty logic of the Republicans (lemmy.world)
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[–] 66 points 2 years ago* (19 children)

"The war is cheap in terms of American lives" is a right wing, nationalist sentiment. "American" lives dont have any more value than any other lives.

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  • [–] 38 points 2 years ago (15 children)

    Sure, but the American government's entire point is to collect American taxes and provide benefits for Americans. To minimize monetary cost and maximize benefit to American lives is exactly what it should be doing.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (14 children)

    Wait, are you telling me that nations are oriented around nationalism?

    This is why I'm for stateless global communism

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  • [+] -7 points 2 years ago (13 children)

    What's the point in advocating for such a wildly impossible system.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    It’s only impossible because people like you refuse to see it’s possibility. If enough people see it’s possibility. It becomes not only possible, but inevitable.

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  • [–] -5 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    You would have to overcome the combined political and military might of every country in the world to enact that system. How about you work on getting basic healthcare to people first. That actually might happen in your lifetime.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    ? Por que no los dos?

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Because every effort devoted to unobtainable utopias is effort detracted from being politically effective in the current system and erodes the legitimacy of the left wing. And besides, most communists are hoping for revolution, and not actually helping people.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    The best reason there is, to have something to dream for. We see it in tons of our literature, look at how popular Star Trek is. It's not the crazy sci-fi stories that had people coming back, it was the world the audience wanted to live in. I wouldn't stomp on someone's dream like that. Especially when it is widely impossible, like who cares? It's their dream.

    It's shortsighted to think that global communism is achievable within a human lifespan just as it is to assume that system won't be as vulnerable to corruption as current systems are. However that's beside the point, why advocate for something so widely impossible; because maybe it gives people hope that things may get better. If it was possible I'd definitely take more interest cause I don't think it'll work out how a lot of people who advocate for global communism think it will, but it's not possible.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Because politics actually matter, and for every person LARPIng about trying to make star trek a reality, is one less person working towards achievable goals making an actual difference in our actual systems. If all of the commies stopped preparing for the revolution and started voting and being proactive in their local party politics, they'd probably be surprised how much they could get done.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Local politics don't allow for our parties, even at that level. Electoralism is a crock. Power does not grow from a ballot box; and trying to tell me it does only makes me want your shit to collapse faster.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    It does though. The democracies are functional, people vote, and the most votes choose the government. You obviously wouldn't want to run as the stateless global communism party, because you would get zero votes, because no one wants that system. And my shit is your shit. Unless you're prepared for societal collapse, you will want to work in the system. And frankly, the power vacuum arriving from this revolution will be filled by the right wing. They are armed, trained and ready to go.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    And my shit is your shit. Unless you’re prepared for societal collapse, you will want to work in the system.

    With all possible emphasis and sincerity, fuck your system. It is fundamentally corrupt, systemically white supremacist in nature, and tailor-made to enrich the few at the absolute expense of the many. I'd rather live through our collapse than wash my hands in the same trough of everyone else's blood you're willing to.

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