▲ 439 ▼ Authors Are Furious After Finding Their Works on List of Books Used To Train AI (www.themarysue.com) submitted 3 years ago by stopthatgirl7@kbin.social to c/technology@lemmy.world 141 comments fedilink hide all child comments Authors using a new tool to search a list of 183,000 books used to train AI are furious to find their works on the list.
[–] Touching_Grass@lemmy.world 8 points 3 years ago* (10 children) What exactly was not permitted by the license? Reading? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] sab@lemmy.world 13 points 3 years ago (9 children) Using it to (create a tool to) create derivatives of the work on a massive scale. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 8 points 3 years ago* An AI model is not a derivative work. It does not contain the copyrighted expression, just information about the copyrighted expression. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SirGolan@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 3 years ago Wikipedia: In copyright law, a derivative work is an expressive creation that includes major copyrightable elements of a first, previously created original work. I think you may be off a bit on what a derivative work is. I don't see LLMs spouting out major copyrightable elements of books. They can give a summary sure, but Cliff Notes would like to have a word if you think that's copyright infringement. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lloram239@feddit.de 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) Better tell that Google and their search index, book scanning project and knowledge graph. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] sab@lemmy.world -1 points 3 years ago* I didn't know those were LLMs, TIL. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Touching_Grass@lemmy.world -3 points 3 years ago (4 children) Well when that happens we have laws. So no problems permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] sab@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (3 children) Would you be okay with applying that argument for any crime? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 3 points 3 years ago I would be, and I don't understand why you think this would be a problem. I wouldn't want the government to be preventing activities that there weren't any actual laws prohibiting. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Touching_Grass@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) Ever heard of the early 21st century classic Minority Report permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] sab@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago You're missing the point. I'll make your example more specific. Well when fraud/rape/murder happens we have laws. So no problems. Those things happen. Creating a LLM based on copyrighted material without permission happens - it's not a hypothetical. But even then, giving a punishment after the fact does not make the initial crime "no problem", as you put it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sab@lemmy.world 13 points 3 years ago (9 children) Using it to (create a tool to) create derivatives of the work on a massive scale. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 8 points 3 years ago* An AI model is not a derivative work. It does not contain the copyrighted expression, just information about the copyrighted expression. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SirGolan@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 3 years ago Wikipedia: In copyright law, a derivative work is an expressive creation that includes major copyrightable elements of a first, previously created original work. I think you may be off a bit on what a derivative work is. I don't see LLMs spouting out major copyrightable elements of books. They can give a summary sure, but Cliff Notes would like to have a word if you think that's copyright infringement. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lloram239@feddit.de 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) Better tell that Google and their search index, book scanning project and knowledge graph. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] sab@lemmy.world -1 points 3 years ago* I didn't know those were LLMs, TIL. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Touching_Grass@lemmy.world -3 points 3 years ago (4 children) Well when that happens we have laws. So no problems permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] sab@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (3 children) Would you be okay with applying that argument for any crime? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 3 points 3 years ago I would be, and I don't understand why you think this would be a problem. I wouldn't want the government to be preventing activities that there weren't any actual laws prohibiting. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Touching_Grass@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) Ever heard of the early 21st century classic Minority Report permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] sab@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago You're missing the point. I'll make your example more specific. Well when fraud/rape/murder happens we have laws. So no problems. Those things happen. Creating a LLM based on copyrighted material without permission happens - it's not a hypothetical. But even then, giving a punishment after the fact does not make the initial crime "no problem", as you put it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 8 points 3 years ago* An AI model is not a derivative work. It does not contain the copyrighted expression, just information about the copyrighted expression. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SirGolan@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 3 years ago Wikipedia: In copyright law, a derivative work is an expressive creation that includes major copyrightable elements of a first, previously created original work. I think you may be off a bit on what a derivative work is. I don't see LLMs spouting out major copyrightable elements of books. They can give a summary sure, but Cliff Notes would like to have a word if you think that's copyright infringement. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lloram239@feddit.de 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) Better tell that Google and their search index, book scanning project and knowledge graph. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] sab@lemmy.world -1 points 3 years ago* I didn't know those were LLMs, TIL. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sab@lemmy.world -1 points 3 years ago* I didn't know those were LLMs, TIL. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Touching_Grass@lemmy.world -3 points 3 years ago (4 children) Well when that happens we have laws. So no problems permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] sab@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (3 children) Would you be okay with applying that argument for any crime? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 3 points 3 years ago I would be, and I don't understand why you think this would be a problem. I wouldn't want the government to be preventing activities that there weren't any actual laws prohibiting. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Touching_Grass@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) Ever heard of the early 21st century classic Minority Report permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] sab@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago You're missing the point. I'll make your example more specific. Well when fraud/rape/murder happens we have laws. So no problems. Those things happen. Creating a LLM based on copyrighted material without permission happens - it's not a hypothetical. But even then, giving a punishment after the fact does not make the initial crime "no problem", as you put it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sab@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (3 children) Would you be okay with applying that argument for any crime? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 3 points 3 years ago I would be, and I don't understand why you think this would be a problem. I wouldn't want the government to be preventing activities that there weren't any actual laws prohibiting. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Touching_Grass@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) Ever heard of the early 21st century classic Minority Report permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] sab@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago You're missing the point. I'll make your example more specific. Well when fraud/rape/murder happens we have laws. So no problems. Those things happen. Creating a LLM based on copyrighted material without permission happens - it's not a hypothetical. But even then, giving a punishment after the fact does not make the initial crime "no problem", as you put it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 3 points 3 years ago I would be, and I don't understand why you think this would be a problem. I wouldn't want the government to be preventing activities that there weren't any actual laws prohibiting. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Touching_Grass@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) Ever heard of the early 21st century classic Minority Report permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] sab@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago You're missing the point. I'll make your example more specific. Well when fraud/rape/murder happens we have laws. So no problems. Those things happen. Creating a LLM based on copyrighted material without permission happens - it's not a hypothetical. But even then, giving a punishment after the fact does not make the initial crime "no problem", as you put it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sab@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago You're missing the point. I'll make your example more specific. Well when fraud/rape/murder happens we have laws. So no problems. Those things happen. Creating a LLM based on copyrighted material without permission happens - it's not a hypothetical. But even then, giving a punishment after the fact does not make the initial crime "no problem", as you put it. permalink fedilink source parent