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“I don't have your money working class” (lemmygrad.ml)
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[+] -17 points 2 years ago (5 children)

I want to support leftism because their ideals are wonderful, but all the leftist groups I find are full of traitors that support Russia and China, despite the fact that those two countries are actually fascist instead of communist. What should I do?

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  • [–] 28 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    What? The only supporters of Russia I see are Republicans.

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  • [+] 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)
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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago

    The hexbear consensus isn't to support Russia like the commenter above your comment is referring to though, a left wing revolution in Russia would be more than welcome. The humanitarian crisis caused by the undemocratic dissolution of the USSR is still being felt to this day through nationalism playing out in former soviet states.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    It sounds like you're either a liar or completely mistaken. Since you seem to post a lot about politics, I'm leaning towards the former. You also spread a lot of bullshit like how affirmative action is the real racism, how your sexism is based in "objective facts", how the opium wars started racism against Chinese people, etc.

    You're just another clown trying to trash leftists by claiming to be one.

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  • [+] -11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

    And that demonstrates that all the leftist groups are not filled with Russia and China supporters... how? I speak out against "communist" governments because they are actually fascist in practice and go against the democratic distribution of power like Marx envisioned.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago*

    And that demonstrates that all the leftist groups are not filled with Russia and China supporters… how?

    Because it's clear you've never talked to any leftist member of any leftist group ever?

    You've completely made up these big bad "Russia and China" supporting "leftists" in your head. Every leftist space I've ever seen in person is full to the brim of anarchists. You have to go out of your way to find these people you think are rampant in leftist circles. What you read online isn't how it works in the real world. You need to get out more and stop believing all this anti-leftist propaganda you're reading online.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Think about it this way: just because a group claims to be socialist or leftist, doesn't exempt them from being fascist. If they support fascism, they're not leftist, no matter what they call themselves.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Red fascism as a term originates with Trotsky, who, I’m fairly sure we can all agree, understood the difference between communism and fascism.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago

    Mainstream Jewish holocaust survivors don't like the comparison.

    https://jewishcurrents.org/the-double-genocide-theory

    Also Trotsky sure did a lot of anticommunism for a communist who (checks notes) only joined the communists when it was clear which way the wind was blowing in the summer of 1917 and got kicked out of the party and exiled by 80 percent of the party after several years of advocating for the petite bourgeoisie.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (2 children)

    Just find a local Democrat group, irl in your area. They likely won't be as progressive as you want, but you can have a voice in the candidates and initiatives they endorse. They also won't be tankies.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Democrats are right wing, maybe centre at best.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago

    While true, in the US, they're the least bad option - you get them or the Republicans, unfortunately. If the fascists aren't kept out of power, you'll have an active slide toward democracy being dismantled and a series of genocides rather than stagnation and any hope of progress toward a leftist utopia. I really hate to say it, but vote blue, no matter who.

    That said, unions and union-adjustment groups are a good start for leftist (i.e. non-tankie) groups - they tend to be practical, and the idea of worker enfranchisement rather than autocracy tends to scare tankies away.

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