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[+] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee [S] -8 points 3 years ago* (16 children)

"Everything I don't like is holocaust denial: a dishonest child's guide to political slander"

Stalin also committed genocide, and he killed even more of his own people than Hitler did. He was also Hitler's ally until he was betrayed by that ally. Tankies and fascists are two rotten peas in the same pod.

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[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 years ago (13 children)

Are you calling a mainstream Jewish holocaust scholar a dishonest child doing political slander?

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[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee [S] -5 points 3 years ago (12 children)

If he's saying that criticism of the USSR is holocaust denial, that is the camp he's placing himself into.

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[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 years ago* (11 children)

He isn't saying that though, he is saying equating communists and fascists holocaust trivialization.

Equating and criticizing aren't the same thing. You're equating.

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[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee [S] -4 points 3 years ago (10 children)

So he's minimizing the Holodomor, and all the other forced relocations and summary executions of undesirables under Stalin and other Soviet despots.

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[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 years ago (9 children)

You're literally doing the nazi propaganda he is talking about.

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[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee [S] -3 points 3 years ago (8 children)

"refusal to minimize genocide is Nazi propaganda"

Stalin murdered even more people than Hitler. History equates them. I just recognize that reality. If you seriously think that's holocaust denial then you're a fucking joke.

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[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (7 children)

Stalin murdered even more people than Hitler.

That's certainly a new one, where'd you get that statistic from, stormfront?

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[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee [S] -2 points 3 years ago (6 children)

Stalin's regime is estimated to have killed ca 20 million civilians during his time in power. Hitler, it's around 12 million or so.

You can argue the figures because if you go by official government records it only comes to about eight million, but even if you believe the USSR about their own atrocities and not contemporary estimates, they're still in the same ballpark as Hitler's regime.

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[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml -3 points 3 years ago (5 children)

Where did you get those numbers from? Because over 26 million people died from the nazi invasion so the 12 million number is immediately false.

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[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee [S] 0 points 3 years ago (4 children)

Civilian casualties, kiddo. And remember, Stalin helped Hitler start WW2, and was his ally at the start of the war, so, he doesn't get a pass on military deaths during the war. It's not like the USSR gets a pass like countries like France do.

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[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago (3 children)

Well soviet civilian casualties were something like 17 million people on their own, and 11 million people were killed in concentration camps, so...

And remember, Stalin helped Hitler start WW2

You do realize that the USSR signed a pact after the British and French rebuffed them and had already signed appeasement pacts with Germany right? (Including allowing them to size czech territory, which gave Germany much needed personnel, industry, and a fleet of really good early war tanks) And after they invaded Poland they dedicated resources to moving minorities out of the way of a nazi invasion they knew would come?

It’s not like the USSR gets a pass like countries like France do.

France literally signed pacts with nazis and did even worse appeasement than the Soviets did.

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[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee [S] 1 point 3 years ago (2 children)

Yes. I am aware that Stalin tried to get Allied approval to invade and annex Poland or turn it into a puppet state and was rebuffed. That was his whole goal - conquering Poland.

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[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml -3 points 3 years ago (1 child)

Okay, so you aren't aware of the USSRs attempts to create an alliance to stop nazi Germany, got it.

That was his whole goal - conquering Poland.

Do you get your political knowledge from the history Channel or from Prager U? Or a little bit of both?

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[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee [S] 0 points 3 years ago

No, no, you're totally right, I bet the guy who jointly invaded Poland with the Nazis as their military ally wanted to station Soviet imperial troops on the Western border of Poland out of charity and not his thirst for conquest

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[+] mycorrhiza@lemmy.ml 1 point 3 years ago*

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[–] o_d@lemmygrad.ml 1 point 3 years ago

Stalin did none of that. Perhaps try reading a fucking book. Stalin signed a treaty with Hitler, just like all the countries in Western Europe. The difference is that Stalin first tried to get the Western European countries to ally against Hitler. They refused of course, because they love their fascism. Equating Stalin to Hitler is very fascist behavior.