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[–] 4 points 19 hours ago* (15 children)

TLDR: LLMs are better information aggregators than Google, which has become a mess of ads and SEO spam. Using AI to complete homework isn't inherently cheating; homework is practice, not an exam. If schools want to measure independent knowledge, they should use supervised assessments instead of take-home assignments. And if an assignment offers little educational value, perhaps the assignment is the problem, not the tool students use to complete it.

I think the more important takeaway from this study is that people produce better results when querying LLMs than when using traditional search engines. To me, that points to a problem with conventional search more than it demonstrates a detriment to using LLMs.

Have you tried Googling anything in recent years? It's a bloody mess. Google increasingly prioritizes what it wants you to see, and more importantly, what advertisers have paid it to show you. Finding genuinely useful information has become an exercise in digging through sponsored results, SEO spam, and pages that exist primarily to generate ad revenue.

LLMs, for all their faults, are arguably better information aggregators at this point. That isn't necessarily a ringing endorsement of AI, considering that they aren't particularly good at searching either. It just illustrates how bad conventional search has become.

I wouldn't interpret using an LLM to complete a task as inherently equivalent to students cheating. I'd argue that LLMs are simply another tool for finding, processing, and synthesizing information. If students can produce better results using those tools, perhaps we should be asking why we're so determined to prevent them from doing so rather than examining the tools themselves.

And frankly, you can't really cheat on homework. It's homework, not a supervised examination. Students should be able to complete assignments using whatever resources are available to them. If the objective is to determine what students can accomplish independently, then schools should assess that through supervised examinations rather than take-home assignments.

More importantly, there's a broader question about whether we're assigning too much homework in the first place. Research has repeatedly found that its educational benefits depend on factors such as age, workload, and assignment quality. If an assignment provides little educational value beyond producing a completed worksheet, then perhaps the problem isn't that students are using AI to complete it. Perhaps the assignment itself isn't worth doing.

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  • [–] 22 points 19 hours ago (5 children)

    Have LLMs become better than Google?

    Or has Google just gotten shittier than LLMs?

    My SearXNG instance never lies to me, and returns results better than Google used to before they fully enshitified

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  • [–] 4 points 6 hours ago (1 child)

    Kagi is able to reach into Japanese websites, aggregate their information, and translate a summary of the contents for me. I used it to learn a bit about an old SNES kusoge, called Saiya no Densetu. Apparently you can get Goku to arrive before the Ginyu Force fight, but paradoxically, he has to be very low level.

    This is information that a traditional search engine can't easily grasp and present.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 hours ago

    They make browser extensions for translations, and my SearXNG can index Japanese sites. I use it to find and download obscure Japanese music albums and ROMs. AI is a very inefficient way to achieve that result.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 hours ago (2 children)

    Have LLMs become better than Google?

    Or has Google just gotten shittier than LLMs?

    LLMs are better at most search tasks than Google has ever been. No contest, it is in no way close.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 hours ago

    Truth. There is a lot of obscure searches that would go nowhere if I tried to use old-school searching. AI is the way forward when it comes to collecting lots of info and giving a cliff notes. Even better, the AI can then go into detail.

    AI is the glasses of the information world: it lets people focus on getting shit done, every day.

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  • [–] -3 points 12 hours ago (1 child)

    Now say it without crying.

    Imagine needing a computer to put your own thoughts into words for you.

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  • [–] 1 point 49 minutes ago

    You used an AI service to determine if my comment was written by AI, and the service itself admits it can't reliably determine that. Do you see the irony here? You literally used AI to guess whether I used AI and then treated that guess as fact. That's some next-level nonsense.

    I will say this however in my own defense not that I have to, I use Google keyboard which has a built-in AI editor it helps me to write long responses quickly.

    I will use any and all tools that I deem necessary to complete any and all tasks regardless of your idiotic criticism.

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