So I saw a post about Obscura VPN and went to do a deep dive and some reasearch on it. Then I came back to comment and the post was gone!

So, anyway, I wanted to share what I found since it actually is quite interesting and there are a few red flags.

Obscura is owned by Sovereign Engineering Inc. registered in the United States. Willingly chose to register the company in the US for some reason. This is a major issue due to the US being one of the few places in Five Eyes, and being able to issue log mandates and gag orders without allowing a company to get a lawyer and fight it.

The founder, Carl Dong, talks in multiple interviews about how his inspiration was the Chinese Great Firewall: https://www.truefans.fm/bit-buy-bit/6a980688566a94f95bc291b1?tab=transcript https://noderunners.network/en/media/podcasts/hell-money/bitcoin-core-dev-walks-away-to-battle-the-great-firewall-of-china-with-carl-dong/187302

They also take VC Investor money:

Yes, we do have VC investors.

This may be a concern when choosing between “Traditional VPN” providers (Single-Party Relays) since you need to trust them wholly.

However, I believe this is much less of a concern with Multi-Party Relays like Obscura since a MPR provider will never have both your personal info and your traffic.

Additionally, it is much easier to switch between VPN providers than it is to switch between “cloud drive” providers (for example) since VPN providers don’t store anything you’d need to transfer.

Source: https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/mullvad-has-partnered-with-obscura-vpn/24860/175

And when asked who the investors were:

We specifically chose investors who’d be strongly supportive of our stance on Privacy and Digital Freedom, so I’m not sure they’d appreciate us listing their names on a public forum :sweat_smile:

Source: https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/mullvad-has-partnered-with-obscura-vpn/24860/179

He refuses to answer.

I hope this info on them helps anyone who might have been considering them make their decision in a more informed manner.

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[–] [S] 1 point 1 hour ago (1 child)

Agreed if you read through the forum posts of the founder a lot of it is him bending over backwards to justify this very thing. But I figured most people wouldn't be as convinced by the technical aspect, and I'm not qualified enough on it to like fully break it down myself either so just didn't speak on it.

I do think that it seems a bit worse than just an extra layer tho. It is literally moving your actual Identifying data (payment info and IP) into the hands of a US based company and out of the hands of Mullvad. It is protecting you from Mullvad, and exposing you to the massive fucking Five Eyes surveillance state, and US jurisdiction which is one of the most draconian in the world in regards to digital privacy.

Is this just a money grab? Maybe. Does the founder believe in what he's doing? Maybe. But does this also look exactly like what I would expect a US Government backed Honey Pot service to look like? Yes.

Also, if you don't trust Mullvad, use TOR.

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  • [–] 1 point 27 minutes ago

    I don’t think it’s a honeypot, it seems much more like a way to take money from people who believe there will be a vpn ban enforced by preventing Americans from either connecting to known foreign vpn services inside the nations borders or outside.

    That would be a reasonable use case, in the case of a crackdown or ban this service would act as a completely law abiding relay out to mullvad. Great firewall style service.

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