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[–] 32 points 2 weeks ago* (43 children)

...except after "c" or when sounding like "ay", as in neighbor or weigh

  • Neighbor
  • Eight
  • Beige
  • Sleigh
  • Received
  • Foreign
  • Weightlifters

Follow the rule

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  • [–] 18 points 2 weeks ago (27 children)

    How do you pronounce 'received'? (Or foreign, for that matter...)

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  • [–] 14 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

    It doesn't work all the time. English is full of nonsense like that. People always only remember half of this rule though.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

    Because English is three languages in a trench coat.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    False. It's the runoff of a language-rich neighborhood. Stewing in a ditch filled with what looks like mud but smells like a dead family of possums at the bottom of a park trash can.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago

    Also funnily enough, it's arguably the most representative of the Germanic languages as a whole. It started out as a form of Central Germanic. Then during the Viking Age it was heavily influencd by a Northern Germanic language, Old Norse.

    Even the French influence is a very specific variety of French, since the Normans were actually descended from Vikings

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    "Received" would be the "except after C" part, not the "sounding like ay" part.

    Not sure about "foreign", or "leisure" for that matter. Maybe foreign used to be pronounced with the "ay" sound. I'm guessing something similar with leisure.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 child)

    The rule that I was taught as a kid was “I before E except after C only if the sound is ee”

    It catches all of the examples on the mug except “weird” which gets a pass in my book because it’s weird (Keith’s excluded because proper nouns don’t follow rules). It doesn’t catch “caffeine” but the “ei” in “caffeinated” isn’t pronounced ee where I come from.

    I’ve never heard the “ay” rule but it doesn’t seem to catch as many words as the “not ee” rule.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago

    Yeah the whole rule (and really the whole confusion) is about "ee". Other pronunciations are always spelt "ei" anyway.

    It still has exceptions but it catches a lot. And i wish people followed it because I die inside every time someone spells "Wiener" as "Weiner". The city is called Wien ffs.

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  • [–] -4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (12 children)

    Received is the except after C rule. Foreign uses the same ay sound as neighbor.

    Keith is a better one, but it's a proper noun so a lot of rules for spelling are ignored.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

    I’m sorry… foreign and neighbor do not use the same sound

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  • [+] -9 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    It does when you pronounce it correctly.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 weeks ago*

    Firstly, there is, effectively, no 'correct' way to pronounce any damn thing. Languages belong to those who use them. RP English is no more correct than Delhi English, or Alabama English for that matter.

    Secondly, I have English speaking friends from just about every US state, and so many countries, and I have never once heard one pronounce foreign as "fore-ayn." I'd love to know what dialect you speak.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

    Foreign does not use the same sound as neighbor.

    nAYbor

    forEN

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  • [+] -7 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    It absolutely doesn't have a hard E vowel sound. Except when my deep south relatives say it.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    The actual rule is "memorise every word individually over a lifetime because there are no rules"

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  • [–] 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

    That’s not very scientific…

    Edit: Downvote why? ‘Science’ clearly doesn’t follow the rule.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Good point, need to add that it’s also only for diphthongs. Science doesn’t apply because the i and e are in different syllables.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago

    Honestly I wish we would just stop teaching stupid ‘rules’ like this. English is easier to just remember than to try to suss out some sort of rule set by which you can magically spell a word you just heard or magically pronounce a word you have only read. I hated being told to sound shit out when I was a kid.

    It’s like “‘c’s make a ‘k’ or ‘s’ noise, sound it out”: Pacific Ocean

    Fucking really?

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