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[–] 0 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

from the "USSR sphere of influence countries" i'd say Romania. it was still a lot better than what it was before but it had a lot of issues

Well, along with the good things Ceaușescu did (continue the industrializing process of Romania, offering work, housing, good education system, good sport facilities that put Romania in top countries in sport performances, paying the national debt of Romania etc), there are also bad things. He pushed the nationalist agenda too much (at one point in 1980 he made a parade saying in the honour of "2054 years since the creation of the first centralized dacian state"; compared himself with wallachian or moldavian medieval rulers etc). His cult of personality really went over the roof. He banned abortions, banned homosexuality. Plus, the biggest mistake he did was to approach western nations, to the point that Romania even received from the US "the clause of the most favourable country" (I think that's how it is called). Yes, Ceaușescu did establish good relations with socialist countries (especially Libya, DPRK, China etc.) and he wanted to establish a bank for the developing nations to compete with the IMF. He borrowed money from the IMF, and that eventually fucked him up big time and he had to shorten romanian population's food, heat etc to afford to pay that. Ceaușescu really distanced himself from the USSR and he also cleaned the state apparatus from the soviet functionaries. Although the so-called "revolution" was orchestrated mostly by the US and other west-european intelligence services (since Ceaușescu denied the perestroika) and his execution was decided by soviet revisionists and united states collaborators who imposed their people in power after 22nd december 1989, Ceaușescu should still be criticised for the bad things he did. He should be compared with other socialist leaders.

cw: reddit prolespod did an episode on them

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  • [–] 10 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 child)

    I vehemently disagree with saying that Romania was the worst. The comment you quote gives plenty of positives and reasons why it was in fact not the worst and many of the criticisms expressed are just as valid of other socialist states, e.g. Yugoslavia getting in bed with the IMF, or even China siding with the US over the USSR.

    Most telling of all is the admission that, unlike in other socialist states where the revisionist governments just rolled over and accepted their own abolition, the West had to orchestrate an entire bloody coup and fake "revolution" to murder Romania's leadership. Why, if he was such a bad socialist (and thus a non-danger to the counter-revolution) was he not treated like other former socialist leaders in Europe post 1989 who were too insignificant and powerless to even be worth killing or imprisoning?

    And what is the line at which a socialist country "pushes the nationalist agenda too much"? Does China do too much nationalism when it celebrates its millennia long history? Does the DPRK?

    It is inconsistent to on the one hand accuse Romania for distancing itself too much from the USSR (China did so even more, btw), while at the same time admitting that the revisionist Soviet leadership directly colluded with Western imperialists to overthrow and murder Romania's leader (as they clearly also allowed the other counter-revolutions in Eastern Europe to occur).

    It's also strange to criticize Romanian socialism for such relatively (in the broader picture) petty things when there is one huge and glaring error made by them that i consider to be actually inexcusable and that has not even been mentioned here: Romania's involvement with the Zionist project.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 hours ago

    yes there were still plenty positives.

    they did the same IMF fuckery as Yugoslavia did, got the same issues with rationing and lack of goods as Poland did and did away with women's autonomy by making abortion illegal.

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