Determinants of electric vehicle emissions savings and costs across locations and individuals Marco Miotti and Jessika E Trancik*

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The most common argument against electric cars is that once you factor in battery manufacturing and lithium mining, they aren't actually cleaner. MIT tested that directly, and the answer is no longer ambiguous.

Researchers Marco Miotti and Jessika Trancik built a lifecycle model covering thousands of US zip codes, drilling down to individual driver behavior rather than comparing broad regions. They accounted for battery and vehicle manufacturing, fuel extraction and refining, regional electricity mix, local meteorological data, traffic density, trip length and duration, acceleration patterns, gas and electricity prices, and state fees. The study appears in Environmental Research Letters.

The concession first: building a battery is dirtier than building a comparable gas car, and an EV starts life with a larger manufacturing footprint. MIT states that plainly rather than working around it.

The findings: in most US locations, a battery electric vehicle reduces lifetime greenhouse gas emissions by 40 to 60 percent compared to a similar gas vehicle, with larger reductions in urban areas. On cold weather, MIT found that in a climate like North Dakota, efficiency can drop as much as 50 percent on a particularly frigid night, but the effect on annual emissions benefits is minimal. Miotti's own conclusion was that even in the most unfavorable conditions, EVs still reduce emissions substantially.

On cost, EVs are competitive with comparable combustion vehicles in lifetime ownership cost across most of the country, even without clean vehicle tax credits. Where electricity is relatively affordable, battery electrics tend to cost less outright. The study also found that individual driving behavior matters roughly as much as regional electricity mix, with the biggest reductions going to people who drive more, drive larger vehicles, and spend more time in traffic.

MIT also updated their public tool at carboncounter.com, where you can compare lifecycle emissions and ownership costs for nearly any car on the market.

None of this means you have to like electric cars. Dislike the steering feel. Dislike the brake feel. Want a manual. Those are real objections. The emissions one is finished.

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[–] 9 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

They've outsourced our jobs to China for the past 50 years, haven't increased minimum wage since 2009, and have skyrocketed the cost of everything with inflation but we can't have cheap chinese EV's in the USA because it's bad for some reason. Honestly I think we need to shoot our oligarchs. I just have to say it. The only reason they aren't letting us buy cheap EV's is because the only way they can keep themselves rich is by rigging the economy using anti free market regulations. The rich USA oligarchs have effectively become communist. This is what communists do.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 hours ago

    In my opinion it's absurd to associate these people with communism in any way.

    They accumulated their power / influence by abusing an underregulated and corrupt capitalistic system.

    Additionally - although I understand the sentiment - calling for their execution is just wrong. Instead what we need is market regulation (and maybe put them in jail if possible).

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  • [–] 2 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

    Lol because china is.. pro free market?? Destroying foreign industries via price dumping is literally on page one of their playbook.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 hours ago (1 child)

    Trade with China is good as long as it's the little people losing their jobs. But as soon a as a billionaire loses 5 dollars it's suddenly bad. Sorry but fuck this. At this point I would rather have China running things than the evil bastards running the USA.

    Bring me the Chinese EV's. I want to buy one. In a free country I would be able to buy one.

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  • [–] -1 points 5 hours ago (1 child)

    Imo trade with china is good as long as it is value creating for both. If one side acts adversarial trying to destroy an industry, then fuck them and you should tarrif them. And destruction of the economy hurts the workers. And thinking workers have it better in china is utterly delusional.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 hours ago*

    $30,000 new cars are destroying America's middle class. It shouldn't be normal for people to go into debt to afford transporation. If China can sell us EV's at one third the price, then open the damn door and let China sell us cheap EV's. If American companies like Ford and Chevy can't afford to stay in business, they deserve to go bankrupt.

    These same companies willingly outsourced our jobs to China and didn't give a damn when they destroyed American families in the process. Now we're supposed to care about the rich bastard's wallets?

    Fuck no. China absolutely is the lesser evil here.

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