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Linus Torvalds used AI to fix a Linux bug, and now LLM critics on Linux face an uncomfortable choice (www.xda-developers.com)
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https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2026/08/msg00041.html

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[–] 13 points 1 month ago (11 children)

Using AI is not the same as vibe coding.

i've been in dozens of lemmy threads that disagree...

There's a huge portion of lemmy who think even one token of AI is unacceptable for any reason

I'm in a thread where the entire idea of AI/LLMs has been declared facist, with ZERO legitimate use cases other than facism

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I’m in a thread where the entire idea of AI/LLMs has been declared facist, with ZERO legitimate use cases other than facism

    A disappointment I've noticed with lemmy is that its community doesn't often see the nuances in things as if to day its all black or white. Its probably not just lemmy, but all internet communities nowadays. Lemmy just sways towards anti AI more and it really leaves a bad taste when coupled with "if not with us, then against us" mindset.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    Yes. It's not just about nuance anymore. In the old days on the internet you can find some spaces where there's at least a baseline level of intellectual honesty. Lemmy has not escaped echochamberization.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    that's like declaring electric light racism and keep using light bulbs....

    Like all people that see racism everywhere, they will fail...

    It's a tool, use it where it works well.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    I agree with you...

    But be prepared to be labelled a facist on lemmy

    apparently there's no such thing as a neutral technology or tool

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    So um, as a sociology student, there [i]is indeed no such thing as neutral technology or tool[/i]. Everything is created within systems of power, and its production will always require externalisation of some costs. Artefacts do have politics, because we live in a social world, use social language, etc.

    [b]However[/b], this does not mean that it is a moral failing, cuz otherwise everybody existing in society would be evil. We live in an imperfect world, and our own position in it, legible through the symbolic order, is continually accepted, rejected, naturalised, de-naturalised, interpreted, re-interpreted, and negotiated.

    Call out harm where you can, accept some difficulties to avoid stuff you find especially egregious if you can, but ultimately, don't moralise it against yourself if you can't.

    TL;DR There is no neutral tool or technology, but that doesn't mean you're morally complicit by not resisting everything. Try to minimise harm where you can, but don't beat yourself up if you can't either.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago* (1 child)

    Huh, kinda like "there is no ethical consumption under capitalism", acknowledging that the only way to abstain from perpetuating it is to starve to death, but principled corpses--even MOUNTAINS of Principled Corpses--seldom result in changes of policy.

    Quiet isolated suicide will not improve the world, especially if immoral and exploitative systems WANT (colloquially speaking) their opposition to die. Maybe don't play right into the hands of people who want us dead by giving them what they want, right? Better to survive and maybe also scavenge the resources needed to build something less destructive...

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    Quite. I think that's also why we're on the Fediverse, right? While so many of our tech is captured by corporates, we still have room to not accept it all laying down. That's what negotiation means, drawing your own boundaries, and as much as I hate saying it, picking your own battles, while realising not many will be willing or able to fight the same ones you do.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    There’s a huge portion of lemmy who think even one token of AI is unacceptable for any reason

    I think a lot of that is to do with how people claim to have written something themselves, and when pressed, admit they used AI for a bit "here and there", and when double-checked it becomes clear they vibe-coded the whole thing. People lie, basically, and if someone lies about their use of AI that's probably a harbinger of slop.

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