[–] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca -2 points 2 weeks ago (11 children)

but it is tho

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[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

It's not. Even if factory farming did not exist, veganism still opposes animal exploitation and vegans would not consume animal products.

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[–] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 week ago (5 children)

it's not the only reason

y'all are acting like there's a single master reason. there can be multiple.

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[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 week ago* (4 children)

I think the problem is you are using an informal, folk definition of "a vegan" while we are talking about the actual moral philosophy called "veganism".

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[–] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 week ago (3 children)

vegans say "animals are tortured in factory farms" but that's not the reason they don't eat meat

and I know vegans who are vegan for exactly that reason, above any other

but keep on arguing the wrong point, I guess

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[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

You just reiterated my point. You are not talking about veganism. I'm not sure you even understand what it is. Veganism is an entire moral philosophy. I am sure there are lots of vegans that were moved to adopt veganism because of factory farming, but factory farming is not why vegans don't eat meat. Vegans would continue to not consume animals even after factory farming was abolished. Because that's not what veganism is about. If your friends would start eating meat when factory farming is abolished, that means they are definitionally not vegans. Veganism has an actual definition and if you cannot cite that definition, you are not really qualified to tell vegnas what is and isn't vegan, are you?

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[–] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 week ago* (1 child)

correct, I'm not talking about veganism. glad you finally got there. I'm talking about vegans

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[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 week ago

No. You said, "but [animals getting tortured in factory farms] is [the reason vegans don't eat meat] tho." That is the whole dispute. That statement is factually incorrect, but you keep doubling down and doubling down. I repeat, your statement is inconsistent with the basic definition of veganism.

Veganism is the reason that vegans don't eat meat. That is trivially obvious. Veganism doesn't say it is okay to eat meat if it wasn't factory farmed. It says do not exploit animals. These are factual claims that you can easily verify by consulting The Vegan Society. I'm sure your friends are against factory farms, but, going way back to the original claim that you are trying to dispute: