▲ 94 ▼ Debian developer Antoine Le Gonidec resigns after option allowing corporate LLM use without disclosure wins vote (lists.debian.org) submitted 1 week ago by Champoloo@hexbear.net to c/libre@hexbear.net 36 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] chgxvjh@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago (1 child) Then what fash jacketing are you talking about? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lurkerlady@hexbear.net 5 points 1 week ago* (1 child) The guy that replied to Antoine Le Gonidec. Antoine also says llms are a 'fascist backed technology' which implies anyone that uses them are fascist sympathizers. He also said Debian was becoming a Nazi bar. The reality is that LLMs are tools. It doesn't even matter if a fascist made a tool if you are able to expropriate that tool (e.g. open weights models, picking up a Luger to shoot a Nazi doesn't make you a Nazi). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chgxvjh@hexbear.net 17 points 1 week ago (1 child) llms are a 'fascist backed technology' That's a factual statement. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lurkerlady@hexbear.net 4 points 1 week ago (1 child) Do you think China is fascist? They also back LLMs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chgxvjh@hexbear.net 12 points 1 week ago (1 child) You are unfairly characterizing Antoine's behavior as fash jacketing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lurkerlady@hexbear.net 4 points 1 week ago* (1 child) You didn't answer the question. What I am saying is it is nonsensical to say something is 'fascist backed' unless you are taking a moralizing stance on a technology as a whole. Banning all LLMs is clearly bad imo, but it makes sense to care about the origin of an LLM. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chgxvjh@hexbear.net 10 points 1 week ago (1 child) Banning all LLMs and discussing acceptable exceptions is how a community could actually end up with a culture of responsible LLM use. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lurkerlady@hexbear.net 3 points 1 week ago (1 child) That is categorically not banning all LLMs, though. And again, do you think China is fascist? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] space_comrade@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago People are acting real fucking weird about LLMs in leftist spaces and even in general, yeah I get it a lot about it is gross as hell but I think we can afford ourselves a bit of nuance here as a treat. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lurkerlady@hexbear.net 5 points 1 week ago* (1 child) The guy that replied to Antoine Le Gonidec. Antoine also says llms are a 'fascist backed technology' which implies anyone that uses them are fascist sympathizers. He also said Debian was becoming a Nazi bar. The reality is that LLMs are tools. It doesn't even matter if a fascist made a tool if you are able to expropriate that tool (e.g. open weights models, picking up a Luger to shoot a Nazi doesn't make you a Nazi). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chgxvjh@hexbear.net 17 points 1 week ago (1 child) llms are a 'fascist backed technology' That's a factual statement. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lurkerlady@hexbear.net 4 points 1 week ago (1 child) Do you think China is fascist? They also back LLMs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chgxvjh@hexbear.net 12 points 1 week ago (1 child) You are unfairly characterizing Antoine's behavior as fash jacketing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lurkerlady@hexbear.net 4 points 1 week ago* (1 child) You didn't answer the question. What I am saying is it is nonsensical to say something is 'fascist backed' unless you are taking a moralizing stance on a technology as a whole. Banning all LLMs is clearly bad imo, but it makes sense to care about the origin of an LLM. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chgxvjh@hexbear.net 10 points 1 week ago (1 child) Banning all LLMs and discussing acceptable exceptions is how a community could actually end up with a culture of responsible LLM use. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lurkerlady@hexbear.net 3 points 1 week ago (1 child) That is categorically not banning all LLMs, though. And again, do you think China is fascist? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] space_comrade@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago People are acting real fucking weird about LLMs in leftist spaces and even in general, yeah I get it a lot about it is gross as hell but I think we can afford ourselves a bit of nuance here as a treat. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chgxvjh@hexbear.net 17 points 1 week ago (1 child) llms are a 'fascist backed technology' That's a factual statement. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lurkerlady@hexbear.net 4 points 1 week ago (1 child) Do you think China is fascist? They also back LLMs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chgxvjh@hexbear.net 12 points 1 week ago (1 child) You are unfairly characterizing Antoine's behavior as fash jacketing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lurkerlady@hexbear.net 4 points 1 week ago* (1 child) You didn't answer the question. What I am saying is it is nonsensical to say something is 'fascist backed' unless you are taking a moralizing stance on a technology as a whole. Banning all LLMs is clearly bad imo, but it makes sense to care about the origin of an LLM. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chgxvjh@hexbear.net 10 points 1 week ago (1 child) Banning all LLMs and discussing acceptable exceptions is how a community could actually end up with a culture of responsible LLM use. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lurkerlady@hexbear.net 3 points 1 week ago (1 child) That is categorically not banning all LLMs, though. And again, do you think China is fascist? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] space_comrade@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago People are acting real fucking weird about LLMs in leftist spaces and even in general, yeah I get it a lot about it is gross as hell but I think we can afford ourselves a bit of nuance here as a treat. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lurkerlady@hexbear.net 4 points 1 week ago (1 child) Do you think China is fascist? They also back LLMs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chgxvjh@hexbear.net 12 points 1 week ago (1 child) You are unfairly characterizing Antoine's behavior as fash jacketing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lurkerlady@hexbear.net 4 points 1 week ago* (1 child) You didn't answer the question. What I am saying is it is nonsensical to say something is 'fascist backed' unless you are taking a moralizing stance on a technology as a whole. Banning all LLMs is clearly bad imo, but it makes sense to care about the origin of an LLM. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chgxvjh@hexbear.net 10 points 1 week ago (1 child) Banning all LLMs and discussing acceptable exceptions is how a community could actually end up with a culture of responsible LLM use. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lurkerlady@hexbear.net 3 points 1 week ago (1 child) That is categorically not banning all LLMs, though. And again, do you think China is fascist? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] space_comrade@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago People are acting real fucking weird about LLMs in leftist spaces and even in general, yeah I get it a lot about it is gross as hell but I think we can afford ourselves a bit of nuance here as a treat. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chgxvjh@hexbear.net 12 points 1 week ago (1 child) You are unfairly characterizing Antoine's behavior as fash jacketing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lurkerlady@hexbear.net 4 points 1 week ago* (1 child) You didn't answer the question. What I am saying is it is nonsensical to say something is 'fascist backed' unless you are taking a moralizing stance on a technology as a whole. Banning all LLMs is clearly bad imo, but it makes sense to care about the origin of an LLM. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chgxvjh@hexbear.net 10 points 1 week ago (1 child) Banning all LLMs and discussing acceptable exceptions is how a community could actually end up with a culture of responsible LLM use. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lurkerlady@hexbear.net 3 points 1 week ago (1 child) That is categorically not banning all LLMs, though. And again, do you think China is fascist? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] space_comrade@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago People are acting real fucking weird about LLMs in leftist spaces and even in general, yeah I get it a lot about it is gross as hell but I think we can afford ourselves a bit of nuance here as a treat. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lurkerlady@hexbear.net 4 points 1 week ago* (1 child) You didn't answer the question. What I am saying is it is nonsensical to say something is 'fascist backed' unless you are taking a moralizing stance on a technology as a whole. Banning all LLMs is clearly bad imo, but it makes sense to care about the origin of an LLM. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chgxvjh@hexbear.net 10 points 1 week ago (1 child) Banning all LLMs and discussing acceptable exceptions is how a community could actually end up with a culture of responsible LLM use. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lurkerlady@hexbear.net 3 points 1 week ago (1 child) That is categorically not banning all LLMs, though. And again, do you think China is fascist? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] space_comrade@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago People are acting real fucking weird about LLMs in leftist spaces and even in general, yeah I get it a lot about it is gross as hell but I think we can afford ourselves a bit of nuance here as a treat. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chgxvjh@hexbear.net 10 points 1 week ago (1 child) Banning all LLMs and discussing acceptable exceptions is how a community could actually end up with a culture of responsible LLM use. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lurkerlady@hexbear.net 3 points 1 week ago (1 child) That is categorically not banning all LLMs, though. And again, do you think China is fascist? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] space_comrade@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago People are acting real fucking weird about LLMs in leftist spaces and even in general, yeah I get it a lot about it is gross as hell but I think we can afford ourselves a bit of nuance here as a treat. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lurkerlady@hexbear.net 3 points 1 week ago (1 child) That is categorically not banning all LLMs, though. And again, do you think China is fascist? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] space_comrade@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago People are acting real fucking weird about LLMs in leftist spaces and even in general, yeah I get it a lot about it is gross as hell but I think we can afford ourselves a bit of nuance here as a treat. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] space_comrade@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago People are acting real fucking weird about LLMs in leftist spaces and even in general, yeah I get it a lot about it is gross as hell but I think we can afford ourselves a bit of nuance here as a treat. permalink fedilink source parent