โฒ 259 โผ In case you need some motivation to de-google (mastodon.online) submitted 3 days ago by Blaze@piefed.zip to c/buyeuropean@feddit.uk 39 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[โ] sidebro@lemmy.zip 14 points 3 days ago (3 children) Next phone I get needs to be non-Android permalink fedilink source hideshow 6 child comments replies: [โ] Humanius@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children) You don't need to get a non-Android phone in order to get a non-Google phone. Android is open source, and if you are willing to forgo the Google Play Store and Google Play Services there are non-Google options. GrapheneOS and /e/OS are de-Googled versions of Android, for example. Fairphone comes with an option with /e/OS installed by default, if you don't want to bother installing it yourself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] abranson@feddit.uk 6 points 3 days ago Android may be technically 'open source' but it is not a collaborative project. It is completely controlled by Google, who are reducing the frequency of their source code releases and gradually making it more difficult for third-party Android forks to survive by convincing app vendors to make their apps refuse work on non-'certified' Google Android installations. Alternative phone operating systems are the way to go if you really want to de-Google. Lots of them can run Android apps as well as the Android forks for now, and their own app libraries are growing rapidly as developers get tired of Google's shenanigans. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] sidebro@lemmy.zip 5 points 3 days ago* (2 children) I need to look into this. Fairphone seems a good option. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] Humanius@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago* (1 child) If you specifically want /e/OS, you need to watch out where you buy the Fairphone. There is two versions, with the regular Android (with Google services) version being the more common one. https://www.fairphone.com/nl/the-fairphone-gen-6-e-operating-system If you buy this one from their website you are guaranteed to get the /e/OS version Edit: Also worth noting that you could also unlock the bootloader, and install /e/OS on the regular Android version as well. You might be able to save โฌ 150-200 that way. To my knowledge you can relock the bootloader after you are done? You'd have to look into that yourself though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] chmod755@feddit.org 1 point 3 days ago (1 child) You're only saving โฌ50 and you lose your warranty... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Humanius@lemmy.world 1 point 3 days ago* Not sure if you can buy unlocked phones from 3rd parties where you live, but over here in the NL I can get a green one for โฌ511,- https://www.galaxus.nl/nl/s1/product/fairphone-gen-6-256-gb-bosgroen-631-sim-esim-5g-smartphone-57937990?offertype=retail&offerid=2705624 (They used to be under โฌ500 for all models, but the RAM shortage makes a fool of us all) Buying the /e/OS version from Fairphone directly is โฌ649. So the difference is still โฌ138, which I wouldn't say is insignificant. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] fyzzlefry@retrolemmy.com 3 points 3 days ago (1 child) I'm on the Fairphone 6 and love it. You lose RCS chat though. Just a heads up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] lenny@feddit.org 1 point 3 days ago Do you know if Fairphone supports passkeys? I'm using KeePassDX but couldn't find it in their compatibility list :/ permalink fedilink source parent [โ] realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip 2 points 3 days ago (2 children) Then you lock yourself into the apple ecosystem. Get a supported device for graphene and you're good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] NGram@piefed.ca 2 points 3 days ago (2 children) GrapheneOS is Android permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] fyzzlefry@retrolemmy.com 4 points 3 days ago De-googled android permalink fedilink source parent [โ] realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip 1 point 3 days ago (1 child) No really? Crazyyyyyyyyyy. For real tho, it is, but it doesn't include any google services, which is why any apps requiring them won't work on graphene unless you make use of their compatibility layer, which is still significantly less of a privacy problem than the original one. Unless linux phones become useable, android without google services is the most privacy respecting option you have available. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] NGram@piefed.ca 1 point 3 days ago* Your original comment was such a non-sequitor that I thought it necessary to clarify. Because an exchange that is roughly summarised as "I don't want Android [or Google]" "OK, use Android [on a Google phone]" Does not really make much sense without additional context. Thanks for adding that context. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] trebach@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 days ago Be warned that Pixel 11 (and probably ones following) will not be supported for GrapheneOS. Memory tagging was removed in the hardware and that is a requirement for them to consider the device secure enough to be willing to support it. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 days ago postmarketOS is not exactly ready for daily driving IMO (without a backup phone anyway) permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Humanius@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children) You don't need to get a non-Android phone in order to get a non-Google phone. Android is open source, and if you are willing to forgo the Google Play Store and Google Play Services there are non-Google options. GrapheneOS and /e/OS are de-Googled versions of Android, for example. Fairphone comes with an option with /e/OS installed by default, if you don't want to bother installing it yourself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] abranson@feddit.uk 6 points 3 days ago Android may be technically 'open source' but it is not a collaborative project. It is completely controlled by Google, who are reducing the frequency of their source code releases and gradually making it more difficult for third-party Android forks to survive by convincing app vendors to make their apps refuse work on non-'certified' Google Android installations. Alternative phone operating systems are the way to go if you really want to de-Google. Lots of them can run Android apps as well as the Android forks for now, and their own app libraries are growing rapidly as developers get tired of Google's shenanigans. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] sidebro@lemmy.zip 5 points 3 days ago* (2 children) I need to look into this. Fairphone seems a good option. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] Humanius@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago* (1 child) If you specifically want /e/OS, you need to watch out where you buy the Fairphone. There is two versions, with the regular Android (with Google services) version being the more common one. https://www.fairphone.com/nl/the-fairphone-gen-6-e-operating-system If you buy this one from their website you are guaranteed to get the /e/OS version Edit: Also worth noting that you could also unlock the bootloader, and install /e/OS on the regular Android version as well. You might be able to save โฌ 150-200 that way. To my knowledge you can relock the bootloader after you are done? You'd have to look into that yourself though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] chmod755@feddit.org 1 point 3 days ago (1 child) You're only saving โฌ50 and you lose your warranty... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Humanius@lemmy.world 1 point 3 days ago* Not sure if you can buy unlocked phones from 3rd parties where you live, but over here in the NL I can get a green one for โฌ511,- https://www.galaxus.nl/nl/s1/product/fairphone-gen-6-256-gb-bosgroen-631-sim-esim-5g-smartphone-57937990?offertype=retail&offerid=2705624 (They used to be under โฌ500 for all models, but the RAM shortage makes a fool of us all) Buying the /e/OS version from Fairphone directly is โฌ649. So the difference is still โฌ138, which I wouldn't say is insignificant. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] fyzzlefry@retrolemmy.com 3 points 3 days ago (1 child) I'm on the Fairphone 6 and love it. You lose RCS chat though. Just a heads up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] lenny@feddit.org 1 point 3 days ago Do you know if Fairphone supports passkeys? I'm using KeePassDX but couldn't find it in their compatibility list :/ permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] abranson@feddit.uk 6 points 3 days ago Android may be technically 'open source' but it is not a collaborative project. It is completely controlled by Google, who are reducing the frequency of their source code releases and gradually making it more difficult for third-party Android forks to survive by convincing app vendors to make their apps refuse work on non-'certified' Google Android installations. Alternative phone operating systems are the way to go if you really want to de-Google. Lots of them can run Android apps as well as the Android forks for now, and their own app libraries are growing rapidly as developers get tired of Google's shenanigans. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] sidebro@lemmy.zip 5 points 3 days ago* (2 children) I need to look into this. Fairphone seems a good option. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] Humanius@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago* (1 child) If you specifically want /e/OS, you need to watch out where you buy the Fairphone. There is two versions, with the regular Android (with Google services) version being the more common one. https://www.fairphone.com/nl/the-fairphone-gen-6-e-operating-system If you buy this one from their website you are guaranteed to get the /e/OS version Edit: Also worth noting that you could also unlock the bootloader, and install /e/OS on the regular Android version as well. You might be able to save โฌ 150-200 that way. To my knowledge you can relock the bootloader after you are done? You'd have to look into that yourself though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] chmod755@feddit.org 1 point 3 days ago (1 child) You're only saving โฌ50 and you lose your warranty... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Humanius@lemmy.world 1 point 3 days ago* Not sure if you can buy unlocked phones from 3rd parties where you live, but over here in the NL I can get a green one for โฌ511,- https://www.galaxus.nl/nl/s1/product/fairphone-gen-6-256-gb-bosgroen-631-sim-esim-5g-smartphone-57937990?offertype=retail&offerid=2705624 (They used to be under โฌ500 for all models, but the RAM shortage makes a fool of us all) Buying the /e/OS version from Fairphone directly is โฌ649. So the difference is still โฌ138, which I wouldn't say is insignificant. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] fyzzlefry@retrolemmy.com 3 points 3 days ago (1 child) I'm on the Fairphone 6 and love it. You lose RCS chat though. Just a heads up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] lenny@feddit.org 1 point 3 days ago Do you know if Fairphone supports passkeys? I'm using KeePassDX but couldn't find it in their compatibility list :/ permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Humanius@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago* (1 child) If you specifically want /e/OS, you need to watch out where you buy the Fairphone. There is two versions, with the regular Android (with Google services) version being the more common one. https://www.fairphone.com/nl/the-fairphone-gen-6-e-operating-system If you buy this one from their website you are guaranteed to get the /e/OS version Edit: Also worth noting that you could also unlock the bootloader, and install /e/OS on the regular Android version as well. You might be able to save โฌ 150-200 that way. To my knowledge you can relock the bootloader after you are done? You'd have to look into that yourself though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] chmod755@feddit.org 1 point 3 days ago (1 child) You're only saving โฌ50 and you lose your warranty... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Humanius@lemmy.world 1 point 3 days ago* Not sure if you can buy unlocked phones from 3rd parties where you live, but over here in the NL I can get a green one for โฌ511,- https://www.galaxus.nl/nl/s1/product/fairphone-gen-6-256-gb-bosgroen-631-sim-esim-5g-smartphone-57937990?offertype=retail&offerid=2705624 (They used to be under โฌ500 for all models, but the RAM shortage makes a fool of us all) Buying the /e/OS version from Fairphone directly is โฌ649. So the difference is still โฌ138, which I wouldn't say is insignificant. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] chmod755@feddit.org 1 point 3 days ago (1 child) You're only saving โฌ50 and you lose your warranty... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Humanius@lemmy.world 1 point 3 days ago* Not sure if you can buy unlocked phones from 3rd parties where you live, but over here in the NL I can get a green one for โฌ511,- https://www.galaxus.nl/nl/s1/product/fairphone-gen-6-256-gb-bosgroen-631-sim-esim-5g-smartphone-57937990?offertype=retail&offerid=2705624 (They used to be under โฌ500 for all models, but the RAM shortage makes a fool of us all) Buying the /e/OS version from Fairphone directly is โฌ649. So the difference is still โฌ138, which I wouldn't say is insignificant. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Humanius@lemmy.world 1 point 3 days ago* Not sure if you can buy unlocked phones from 3rd parties where you live, but over here in the NL I can get a green one for โฌ511,- https://www.galaxus.nl/nl/s1/product/fairphone-gen-6-256-gb-bosgroen-631-sim-esim-5g-smartphone-57937990?offertype=retail&offerid=2705624 (They used to be under โฌ500 for all models, but the RAM shortage makes a fool of us all) Buying the /e/OS version from Fairphone directly is โฌ649. So the difference is still โฌ138, which I wouldn't say is insignificant. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] fyzzlefry@retrolemmy.com 3 points 3 days ago (1 child) I'm on the Fairphone 6 and love it. You lose RCS chat though. Just a heads up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] lenny@feddit.org 1 point 3 days ago Do you know if Fairphone supports passkeys? I'm using KeePassDX but couldn't find it in their compatibility list :/ permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] lenny@feddit.org 1 point 3 days ago Do you know if Fairphone supports passkeys? I'm using KeePassDX but couldn't find it in their compatibility list :/ permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip 2 points 3 days ago (2 children) Then you lock yourself into the apple ecosystem. Get a supported device for graphene and you're good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] NGram@piefed.ca 2 points 3 days ago (2 children) GrapheneOS is Android permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] fyzzlefry@retrolemmy.com 4 points 3 days ago De-googled android permalink fedilink source parent [โ] realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip 1 point 3 days ago (1 child) No really? Crazyyyyyyyyyy. For real tho, it is, but it doesn't include any google services, which is why any apps requiring them won't work on graphene unless you make use of their compatibility layer, which is still significantly less of a privacy problem than the original one. Unless linux phones become useable, android without google services is the most privacy respecting option you have available. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] NGram@piefed.ca 1 point 3 days ago* Your original comment was such a non-sequitor that I thought it necessary to clarify. Because an exchange that is roughly summarised as "I don't want Android [or Google]" "OK, use Android [on a Google phone]" Does not really make much sense without additional context. Thanks for adding that context. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] trebach@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 days ago Be warned that Pixel 11 (and probably ones following) will not be supported for GrapheneOS. Memory tagging was removed in the hardware and that is a requirement for them to consider the device secure enough to be willing to support it. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] NGram@piefed.ca 2 points 3 days ago (2 children) GrapheneOS is Android permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] fyzzlefry@retrolemmy.com 4 points 3 days ago De-googled android permalink fedilink source parent [โ] realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip 1 point 3 days ago (1 child) No really? Crazyyyyyyyyyy. For real tho, it is, but it doesn't include any google services, which is why any apps requiring them won't work on graphene unless you make use of their compatibility layer, which is still significantly less of a privacy problem than the original one. Unless linux phones become useable, android without google services is the most privacy respecting option you have available. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] NGram@piefed.ca 1 point 3 days ago* Your original comment was such a non-sequitor that I thought it necessary to clarify. Because an exchange that is roughly summarised as "I don't want Android [or Google]" "OK, use Android [on a Google phone]" Does not really make much sense without additional context. Thanks for adding that context. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] fyzzlefry@retrolemmy.com 4 points 3 days ago De-googled android permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip 1 point 3 days ago (1 child) No really? Crazyyyyyyyyyy. For real tho, it is, but it doesn't include any google services, which is why any apps requiring them won't work on graphene unless you make use of their compatibility layer, which is still significantly less of a privacy problem than the original one. Unless linux phones become useable, android without google services is the most privacy respecting option you have available. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] NGram@piefed.ca 1 point 3 days ago* Your original comment was such a non-sequitor that I thought it necessary to clarify. Because an exchange that is roughly summarised as "I don't want Android [or Google]" "OK, use Android [on a Google phone]" Does not really make much sense without additional context. Thanks for adding that context. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] NGram@piefed.ca 1 point 3 days ago* Your original comment was such a non-sequitor that I thought it necessary to clarify. Because an exchange that is roughly summarised as "I don't want Android [or Google]" "OK, use Android [on a Google phone]" Does not really make much sense without additional context. Thanks for adding that context. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] trebach@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 days ago Be warned that Pixel 11 (and probably ones following) will not be supported for GrapheneOS. Memory tagging was removed in the hardware and that is a requirement for them to consider the device secure enough to be willing to support it. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 days ago postmarketOS is not exactly ready for daily driving IMO (without a backup phone anyway) permalink fedilink source parent