▲ 308 ▼ Nvidia has been in talks to acquire Hugging Face for more than $13 billion (www.businessinsider.com) submitted 3 days ago* by inari@piefed.zip to c/technology@lemmy.world 72 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Pistcow@lemmy.world 35 points 3 days ago (3 children) They going to buy it with an IOU? permalink fedilink source hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] shittydwarf@piefed.ca 33 points 3 days ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] artyom@piefed.social 26 points 3 days ago (3 children) Nvidia is the only dog in this race that's actually turning profits hand-over-fist permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] TehWorld@lemmy.world 24 points 3 days ago (1 child) Only if the line keeps going up. Ai companies have been “selling” chunks of themselves to NVIDIA for “cash” then these companies turn around and buy hardware from NVIDIA. When the crash eventually comes, NVIDIA will have some percentage of zero (or close enough to count) value company. Basically acting like a bank, just cutting the banks out of the process. NVIDIA shows revenue and the AI company churns their super-inflated value to be even more inflation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IronBird@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (2 children) nah, they're basically the best shovel sellers around. practically all their deals take payment up front for the hardware (+lease obligation) on top of some form of constant monetization for the compute used a/o various types of financing schemes (that involve getting outside parties, generally private credit, to foot the bill). jensen knows this game very well and is playing everyone else superbly. it's obviously a bubble and they will correct along with everything else eventually, but compared to the rest NVDA will likely come out far far ahead of everyone else because they bring in actual revenue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Pistcow@lemmy.world 1 point 3 days ago OK, sure, theyre selling shovels but theyre lending a bajillion dollars in shovels for equity in unprofitable companies and when the bubble bursts they'll have no cash and pieces of paper in defunct companies. Unable to meet their operating costs they'll die or be pieced off. You can't run a company off of IOUs. permalink fedilink source parent [–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 1 point 3 days ago And their local AI push (Nemotron, DGI Spark, RTX Spark, Huggingface, ...) is all done to diversify before the crash. Local AI is constantly getting better, both on server-grade hardware and on hardware regular users can actually own. In fact, for Nvidia it's better to have a solid standing with consumer-grade local AI. If Anthropic, Google and OpenAI manage to DIY their own AI chips, then Nvidia will lose a large portion of their revenue within a day. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Rothe@piefed.social 2 points 3 days ago Most of that money is their own money though, just being paid back to them by the companies they "invested" in. This makes the line go up and adds to Jensen Huangs personal fortune, but it is not actually a profit for the company. Their main manufacturing business is now making components for datacenters, and those are also starting to lose ground. Jensen Huang is personally adding to his fortune though, no doubt about that. But so are all the other tech oligarchs, even if their companies are huge bubbles on the verge of explosion. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 3 days ago nvidia found suckers for thier chips. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 days ago Is that like an NFT? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] artyom@piefed.social 26 points 3 days ago (3 children) Nvidia is the only dog in this race that's actually turning profits hand-over-fist permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] TehWorld@lemmy.world 24 points 3 days ago (1 child) Only if the line keeps going up. Ai companies have been “selling” chunks of themselves to NVIDIA for “cash” then these companies turn around and buy hardware from NVIDIA. When the crash eventually comes, NVIDIA will have some percentage of zero (or close enough to count) value company. Basically acting like a bank, just cutting the banks out of the process. NVIDIA shows revenue and the AI company churns their super-inflated value to be even more inflation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IronBird@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (2 children) nah, they're basically the best shovel sellers around. practically all their deals take payment up front for the hardware (+lease obligation) on top of some form of constant monetization for the compute used a/o various types of financing schemes (that involve getting outside parties, generally private credit, to foot the bill). jensen knows this game very well and is playing everyone else superbly. it's obviously a bubble and they will correct along with everything else eventually, but compared to the rest NVDA will likely come out far far ahead of everyone else because they bring in actual revenue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Pistcow@lemmy.world 1 point 3 days ago OK, sure, theyre selling shovels but theyre lending a bajillion dollars in shovels for equity in unprofitable companies and when the bubble bursts they'll have no cash and pieces of paper in defunct companies. Unable to meet their operating costs they'll die or be pieced off. You can't run a company off of IOUs. permalink fedilink source parent [–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 1 point 3 days ago And their local AI push (Nemotron, DGI Spark, RTX Spark, Huggingface, ...) is all done to diversify before the crash. Local AI is constantly getting better, both on server-grade hardware and on hardware regular users can actually own. In fact, for Nvidia it's better to have a solid standing with consumer-grade local AI. If Anthropic, Google and OpenAI manage to DIY their own AI chips, then Nvidia will lose a large portion of their revenue within a day. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Rothe@piefed.social 2 points 3 days ago Most of that money is their own money though, just being paid back to them by the companies they "invested" in. This makes the line go up and adds to Jensen Huangs personal fortune, but it is not actually a profit for the company. Their main manufacturing business is now making components for datacenters, and those are also starting to lose ground. Jensen Huang is personally adding to his fortune though, no doubt about that. But so are all the other tech oligarchs, even if their companies are huge bubbles on the verge of explosion. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 3 days ago nvidia found suckers for thier chips. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TehWorld@lemmy.world 24 points 3 days ago (1 child) Only if the line keeps going up. Ai companies have been “selling” chunks of themselves to NVIDIA for “cash” then these companies turn around and buy hardware from NVIDIA. When the crash eventually comes, NVIDIA will have some percentage of zero (or close enough to count) value company. Basically acting like a bank, just cutting the banks out of the process. NVIDIA shows revenue and the AI company churns their super-inflated value to be even more inflation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IronBird@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (2 children) nah, they're basically the best shovel sellers around. practically all their deals take payment up front for the hardware (+lease obligation) on top of some form of constant monetization for the compute used a/o various types of financing schemes (that involve getting outside parties, generally private credit, to foot the bill). jensen knows this game very well and is playing everyone else superbly. it's obviously a bubble and they will correct along with everything else eventually, but compared to the rest NVDA will likely come out far far ahead of everyone else because they bring in actual revenue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Pistcow@lemmy.world 1 point 3 days ago OK, sure, theyre selling shovels but theyre lending a bajillion dollars in shovels for equity in unprofitable companies and when the bubble bursts they'll have no cash and pieces of paper in defunct companies. Unable to meet their operating costs they'll die or be pieced off. You can't run a company off of IOUs. permalink fedilink source parent [–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 1 point 3 days ago And their local AI push (Nemotron, DGI Spark, RTX Spark, Huggingface, ...) is all done to diversify before the crash. Local AI is constantly getting better, both on server-grade hardware and on hardware regular users can actually own. In fact, for Nvidia it's better to have a solid standing with consumer-grade local AI. If Anthropic, Google and OpenAI manage to DIY their own AI chips, then Nvidia will lose a large portion of their revenue within a day. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] IronBird@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (2 children) nah, they're basically the best shovel sellers around. practically all their deals take payment up front for the hardware (+lease obligation) on top of some form of constant monetization for the compute used a/o various types of financing schemes (that involve getting outside parties, generally private credit, to foot the bill). jensen knows this game very well and is playing everyone else superbly. it's obviously a bubble and they will correct along with everything else eventually, but compared to the rest NVDA will likely come out far far ahead of everyone else because they bring in actual revenue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Pistcow@lemmy.world 1 point 3 days ago OK, sure, theyre selling shovels but theyre lending a bajillion dollars in shovels for equity in unprofitable companies and when the bubble bursts they'll have no cash and pieces of paper in defunct companies. Unable to meet their operating costs they'll die or be pieced off. You can't run a company off of IOUs. permalink fedilink source parent [–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 1 point 3 days ago And their local AI push (Nemotron, DGI Spark, RTX Spark, Huggingface, ...) is all done to diversify before the crash. Local AI is constantly getting better, both on server-grade hardware and on hardware regular users can actually own. In fact, for Nvidia it's better to have a solid standing with consumer-grade local AI. If Anthropic, Google and OpenAI manage to DIY their own AI chips, then Nvidia will lose a large portion of their revenue within a day. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Pistcow@lemmy.world 1 point 3 days ago OK, sure, theyre selling shovels but theyre lending a bajillion dollars in shovels for equity in unprofitable companies and when the bubble bursts they'll have no cash and pieces of paper in defunct companies. Unable to meet their operating costs they'll die or be pieced off. You can't run a company off of IOUs. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 1 point 3 days ago And their local AI push (Nemotron, DGI Spark, RTX Spark, Huggingface, ...) is all done to diversify before the crash. Local AI is constantly getting better, both on server-grade hardware and on hardware regular users can actually own. In fact, for Nvidia it's better to have a solid standing with consumer-grade local AI. If Anthropic, Google and OpenAI manage to DIY their own AI chips, then Nvidia will lose a large portion of their revenue within a day. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Rothe@piefed.social 2 points 3 days ago Most of that money is their own money though, just being paid back to them by the companies they "invested" in. This makes the line go up and adds to Jensen Huangs personal fortune, but it is not actually a profit for the company. Their main manufacturing business is now making components for datacenters, and those are also starting to lose ground. Jensen Huang is personally adding to his fortune though, no doubt about that. But so are all the other tech oligarchs, even if their companies are huge bubbles on the verge of explosion. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 3 days ago nvidia found suckers for thier chips. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 days ago Is that like an NFT? permalink fedilink source parent