▲ 311 ▼ Ads and tracking infiltrated TVs. Now they're coming for monitors. (arstechnica.com) submitted 1 week ago by mulcahey@lemmy.world to c/aboringdystopia@lemmy.world 68 comments fedilink hide all child comments Monitor vendors are playing with fire.
[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 week ago (1 child) Linux. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] floofloof@lemmy.ca -2 points 1 week ago (3 children) Linux won't save you from smart monitors. It'll be like every OS suddenly gets Windows Recall, except LG and Samsung have the database, not you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Womble@piefed.world 13 points 1 week ago (1 child) Linux absolutely will save you from this, unless you think somehow windows detecting an LG monitor and installing spyware is going to happen on Linux? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 week ago (1 child) I understood this section to mean that the smart monitor runs its own OS and sends its own network traffic, not depending on software running on the PC: Smart monitors connect to the Internet and run their own operating system (OS) and apps. They can be useful for performing tasks, like video conferencing, watching a show from a streaming service, or managing your smart home without attaching a computer. LG’s and Samsung’s smart monitors use the same ad-serving OSes that their respective smart TVs do, meaning they’re poised to use automatic content recognition (ACR). Users of LG and Samsung smart monitors, including reviews site RTINGs, have shown the displays being able to track user activity. So then you'd have the same challenges as with a smart TV: unless you block its network access, it can report on every image you display. And I've heard that some smart TVs refuse to function unless you give them internet access, so smart monitors might work similarly. Then the only solution would be not to buy a smart monitor, even if you're in full control of the PC. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Womble@piefed.world 4 points 1 week ago Fair enough if you cant flash them and they wont work without an internet connection then yeah, you wouldnt be able to use that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 week ago (1 child) I don't follow. I plug a monitor into my Linux desktop. Linux kernel and monitor talk. Linux driver for how to use the monitor is installed. Unless you have some shit ass traitor developers creating the drivers, I don't see how this is a worry in an open source OS where you can remove any added junk anyway. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago* (1 child) I was thinking of the second part of the article, under the heading "Smart monitors", which talks about monitors running their own independent OS with the ability to report on what you're doing without going through software running on the computer. That seems like a different threat than those monitors that just cause a malicious driver to be installed in Windows. The monitor's spying activity would not depend on the host OS or drivers, though it would need its own network connection. The obvious thing would be to block that, but I hear some smart TVs are designed not to function unless they have an internet connection, and they'd probably try that with smart monitors too. Hopefully then they just wouldn't manage to sell any. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 week ago Ya that behaviour doesn't get my money. I am buying a screen. Not a computer. I realize how that sounds given our tv stste, though. But I feel like monitors have much less of an excuse because they are literally designed to connect to computers as they always have been. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 child) Just don't directly connect the monitor to the network (like a smart tv) and Linux absolutely will save you from it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 week ago (1 child) Yes, as long as the monitor isn't designed to stop functioning unless it's given a network connection. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chilicheeselies@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago That's when I return it and go buy a different brand. Fortunately you find that out right away, and since it's never getting an Internet connection it will never get an update to change that fact. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca -2 points 1 week ago (3 children) Linux won't save you from smart monitors. It'll be like every OS suddenly gets Windows Recall, except LG and Samsung have the database, not you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Womble@piefed.world 13 points 1 week ago (1 child) Linux absolutely will save you from this, unless you think somehow windows detecting an LG monitor and installing spyware is going to happen on Linux? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 week ago (1 child) I understood this section to mean that the smart monitor runs its own OS and sends its own network traffic, not depending on software running on the PC: Smart monitors connect to the Internet and run their own operating system (OS) and apps. They can be useful for performing tasks, like video conferencing, watching a show from a streaming service, or managing your smart home without attaching a computer. LG’s and Samsung’s smart monitors use the same ad-serving OSes that their respective smart TVs do, meaning they’re poised to use automatic content recognition (ACR). Users of LG and Samsung smart monitors, including reviews site RTINGs, have shown the displays being able to track user activity. So then you'd have the same challenges as with a smart TV: unless you block its network access, it can report on every image you display. And I've heard that some smart TVs refuse to function unless you give them internet access, so smart monitors might work similarly. Then the only solution would be not to buy a smart monitor, even if you're in full control of the PC. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Womble@piefed.world 4 points 1 week ago Fair enough if you cant flash them and they wont work without an internet connection then yeah, you wouldnt be able to use that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 week ago (1 child) I don't follow. I plug a monitor into my Linux desktop. Linux kernel and monitor talk. Linux driver for how to use the monitor is installed. Unless you have some shit ass traitor developers creating the drivers, I don't see how this is a worry in an open source OS where you can remove any added junk anyway. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago* (1 child) I was thinking of the second part of the article, under the heading "Smart monitors", which talks about monitors running their own independent OS with the ability to report on what you're doing without going through software running on the computer. That seems like a different threat than those monitors that just cause a malicious driver to be installed in Windows. The monitor's spying activity would not depend on the host OS or drivers, though it would need its own network connection. The obvious thing would be to block that, but I hear some smart TVs are designed not to function unless they have an internet connection, and they'd probably try that with smart monitors too. Hopefully then they just wouldn't manage to sell any. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 week ago Ya that behaviour doesn't get my money. I am buying a screen. Not a computer. I realize how that sounds given our tv stste, though. But I feel like monitors have much less of an excuse because they are literally designed to connect to computers as they always have been. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 child) Just don't directly connect the monitor to the network (like a smart tv) and Linux absolutely will save you from it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 week ago (1 child) Yes, as long as the monitor isn't designed to stop functioning unless it's given a network connection. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chilicheeselies@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago That's when I return it and go buy a different brand. Fortunately you find that out right away, and since it's never getting an Internet connection it will never get an update to change that fact. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Womble@piefed.world 13 points 1 week ago (1 child) Linux absolutely will save you from this, unless you think somehow windows detecting an LG monitor and installing spyware is going to happen on Linux? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 week ago (1 child) I understood this section to mean that the smart monitor runs its own OS and sends its own network traffic, not depending on software running on the PC: Smart monitors connect to the Internet and run their own operating system (OS) and apps. They can be useful for performing tasks, like video conferencing, watching a show from a streaming service, or managing your smart home without attaching a computer. LG’s and Samsung’s smart monitors use the same ad-serving OSes that their respective smart TVs do, meaning they’re poised to use automatic content recognition (ACR). Users of LG and Samsung smart monitors, including reviews site RTINGs, have shown the displays being able to track user activity. So then you'd have the same challenges as with a smart TV: unless you block its network access, it can report on every image you display. And I've heard that some smart TVs refuse to function unless you give them internet access, so smart monitors might work similarly. Then the only solution would be not to buy a smart monitor, even if you're in full control of the PC. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Womble@piefed.world 4 points 1 week ago Fair enough if you cant flash them and they wont work without an internet connection then yeah, you wouldnt be able to use that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 week ago (1 child) I understood this section to mean that the smart monitor runs its own OS and sends its own network traffic, not depending on software running on the PC: Smart monitors connect to the Internet and run their own operating system (OS) and apps. They can be useful for performing tasks, like video conferencing, watching a show from a streaming service, or managing your smart home without attaching a computer. LG’s and Samsung’s smart monitors use the same ad-serving OSes that their respective smart TVs do, meaning they’re poised to use automatic content recognition (ACR). Users of LG and Samsung smart monitors, including reviews site RTINGs, have shown the displays being able to track user activity. So then you'd have the same challenges as with a smart TV: unless you block its network access, it can report on every image you display. And I've heard that some smart TVs refuse to function unless you give them internet access, so smart monitors might work similarly. Then the only solution would be not to buy a smart monitor, even if you're in full control of the PC. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Womble@piefed.world 4 points 1 week ago Fair enough if you cant flash them and they wont work without an internet connection then yeah, you wouldnt be able to use that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Womble@piefed.world 4 points 1 week ago Fair enough if you cant flash them and they wont work without an internet connection then yeah, you wouldnt be able to use that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 week ago (1 child) I don't follow. I plug a monitor into my Linux desktop. Linux kernel and monitor talk. Linux driver for how to use the monitor is installed. Unless you have some shit ass traitor developers creating the drivers, I don't see how this is a worry in an open source OS where you can remove any added junk anyway. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago* (1 child) I was thinking of the second part of the article, under the heading "Smart monitors", which talks about monitors running their own independent OS with the ability to report on what you're doing without going through software running on the computer. That seems like a different threat than those monitors that just cause a malicious driver to be installed in Windows. The monitor's spying activity would not depend on the host OS or drivers, though it would need its own network connection. The obvious thing would be to block that, but I hear some smart TVs are designed not to function unless they have an internet connection, and they'd probably try that with smart monitors too. Hopefully then they just wouldn't manage to sell any. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 week ago Ya that behaviour doesn't get my money. I am buying a screen. Not a computer. I realize how that sounds given our tv stste, though. But I feel like monitors have much less of an excuse because they are literally designed to connect to computers as they always have been. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago* (1 child) I was thinking of the second part of the article, under the heading "Smart monitors", which talks about monitors running their own independent OS with the ability to report on what you're doing without going through software running on the computer. That seems like a different threat than those monitors that just cause a malicious driver to be installed in Windows. The monitor's spying activity would not depend on the host OS or drivers, though it would need its own network connection. The obvious thing would be to block that, but I hear some smart TVs are designed not to function unless they have an internet connection, and they'd probably try that with smart monitors too. Hopefully then they just wouldn't manage to sell any. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 week ago Ya that behaviour doesn't get my money. I am buying a screen. Not a computer. I realize how that sounds given our tv stste, though. But I feel like monitors have much less of an excuse because they are literally designed to connect to computers as they always have been. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 week ago Ya that behaviour doesn't get my money. I am buying a screen. Not a computer. I realize how that sounds given our tv stste, though. But I feel like monitors have much less of an excuse because they are literally designed to connect to computers as they always have been. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 child) Just don't directly connect the monitor to the network (like a smart tv) and Linux absolutely will save you from it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 week ago (1 child) Yes, as long as the monitor isn't designed to stop functioning unless it's given a network connection. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chilicheeselies@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago That's when I return it and go buy a different brand. Fortunately you find that out right away, and since it's never getting an Internet connection it will never get an update to change that fact. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 week ago (1 child) Yes, as long as the monitor isn't designed to stop functioning unless it's given a network connection. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chilicheeselies@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago That's when I return it and go buy a different brand. Fortunately you find that out right away, and since it's never getting an Internet connection it will never get an update to change that fact. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chilicheeselies@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago That's when I return it and go buy a different brand. Fortunately you find that out right away, and since it's never getting an Internet connection it will never get an update to change that fact. permalink fedilink source parent