▲ 546 ▼ Capitalism is an unrealistic death cult. (thelemmy.club) submitted 10 hours ago by sanitation@lemmy.today to c/workreform@lemmy.world 43 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] greenbit@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 hours ago (2 children) Why you bring that up permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 35 minutes ago (1 child) Sort of a famous counter-example. A seventy year long break from capitalist economic practices over half of Europe and most of Asia seems like it should have produced a noticeably different set of ecological outcomes. But industrialization appears to take the same ecological toll from Beijing to Belgrade. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] greenbit@lemmy.zip 1 point 9 minutes ago (1 child) when will that 70 year long break happen permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 point 5 minutes ago* It already happened, in the early 90s, when Yeltsin rode a tank up to the Moscow Parliament and started shelling it. The USSR latest from 1922 to 1991, give or take a few years depending on how you want to count it. Dengism, in China, kicked off in earnest at about the same time (Tianamen Square was largely a Maoist reaction to capitalist land reforms). permalink fedilink source parent [–] knitwitt@lemmy.world 6 points 1 hour ago (2 children) Because I believe ecological sustainability is achivable under any economic system! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] hertg@infosec.pub 2 points 44 minutes ago (1 child) Capitalism requires continuous and unlimited economic growth. Economic growth requires accelerated resource extraction. Capitalism is not ecologically sustainable by design. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] knitwitt@lemmy.world 4 points 36 minutes ago* (last edited 25 minutes ago) (1 child) Capitalism, like socialism, means many things to many different people. At it's core capitalism is simply a philosophy built around the idea of the free exchange of goods and services between individuals. I don't think most people would that infinite growth is an essential part of that equation as there are real examples of capitalistic economys that shrink every year. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hertg@infosec.pub 0 points 22 minutes ago Where are those capitalist "economies" that don't require growth? Are they decoupled, and not relying on the growth of the global economy? Does their pension system not explode if economic growth would come to a halt? If so, what makes them capitalist? permalink fedilink source parent [–] greenbit@lemmy.zip 1 point 39 minutes ago* (1 child) So you brought up a part of the current system with it failing? Capitalisms faiilures on multiple cornerstones, in addition to ecology, are broadly documented. You're allowed to update a belief with knowledge permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] knitwitt@lemmy.world 2 points 32 minutes ago (1 child) I think our ecological failures are often misattributed to economic philosophy. Collectivist societies have also caused irreparable ecological harm in the past, so the issue can't be capitalism exclusive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Squirrelanna@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 14 minutes ago It's not exclusive and no one said it was. Just that capitalism as we have it now has no room for ecological considerations. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 35 minutes ago (1 child) Sort of a famous counter-example. A seventy year long break from capitalist economic practices over half of Europe and most of Asia seems like it should have produced a noticeably different set of ecological outcomes. But industrialization appears to take the same ecological toll from Beijing to Belgrade. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] greenbit@lemmy.zip 1 point 9 minutes ago (1 child) when will that 70 year long break happen permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 point 5 minutes ago* It already happened, in the early 90s, when Yeltsin rode a tank up to the Moscow Parliament and started shelling it. The USSR latest from 1922 to 1991, give or take a few years depending on how you want to count it. Dengism, in China, kicked off in earnest at about the same time (Tianamen Square was largely a Maoist reaction to capitalist land reforms). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] greenbit@lemmy.zip 1 point 9 minutes ago (1 child) when will that 70 year long break happen permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 point 5 minutes ago* It already happened, in the early 90s, when Yeltsin rode a tank up to the Moscow Parliament and started shelling it. The USSR latest from 1922 to 1991, give or take a few years depending on how you want to count it. Dengism, in China, kicked off in earnest at about the same time (Tianamen Square was largely a Maoist reaction to capitalist land reforms). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 point 5 minutes ago* It already happened, in the early 90s, when Yeltsin rode a tank up to the Moscow Parliament and started shelling it. The USSR latest from 1922 to 1991, give or take a few years depending on how you want to count it. Dengism, in China, kicked off in earnest at about the same time (Tianamen Square was largely a Maoist reaction to capitalist land reforms). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] knitwitt@lemmy.world 6 points 1 hour ago (2 children) Because I believe ecological sustainability is achivable under any economic system! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] hertg@infosec.pub 2 points 44 minutes ago (1 child) Capitalism requires continuous and unlimited economic growth. Economic growth requires accelerated resource extraction. Capitalism is not ecologically sustainable by design. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] knitwitt@lemmy.world 4 points 36 minutes ago* (last edited 25 minutes ago) (1 child) Capitalism, like socialism, means many things to many different people. At it's core capitalism is simply a philosophy built around the idea of the free exchange of goods and services between individuals. I don't think most people would that infinite growth is an essential part of that equation as there are real examples of capitalistic economys that shrink every year. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hertg@infosec.pub 0 points 22 minutes ago Where are those capitalist "economies" that don't require growth? Are they decoupled, and not relying on the growth of the global economy? Does their pension system not explode if economic growth would come to a halt? If so, what makes them capitalist? permalink fedilink source parent [–] greenbit@lemmy.zip 1 point 39 minutes ago* (1 child) So you brought up a part of the current system with it failing? Capitalisms faiilures on multiple cornerstones, in addition to ecology, are broadly documented. You're allowed to update a belief with knowledge permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] knitwitt@lemmy.world 2 points 32 minutes ago (1 child) I think our ecological failures are often misattributed to economic philosophy. Collectivist societies have also caused irreparable ecological harm in the past, so the issue can't be capitalism exclusive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Squirrelanna@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 14 minutes ago It's not exclusive and no one said it was. Just that capitalism as we have it now has no room for ecological considerations. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hertg@infosec.pub 2 points 44 minutes ago (1 child) Capitalism requires continuous and unlimited economic growth. Economic growth requires accelerated resource extraction. Capitalism is not ecologically sustainable by design. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] knitwitt@lemmy.world 4 points 36 minutes ago* (last edited 25 minutes ago) (1 child) Capitalism, like socialism, means many things to many different people. At it's core capitalism is simply a philosophy built around the idea of the free exchange of goods and services between individuals. I don't think most people would that infinite growth is an essential part of that equation as there are real examples of capitalistic economys that shrink every year. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hertg@infosec.pub 0 points 22 minutes ago Where are those capitalist "economies" that don't require growth? Are they decoupled, and not relying on the growth of the global economy? Does their pension system not explode if economic growth would come to a halt? If so, what makes them capitalist? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] knitwitt@lemmy.world 4 points 36 minutes ago* (last edited 25 minutes ago) (1 child) Capitalism, like socialism, means many things to many different people. At it's core capitalism is simply a philosophy built around the idea of the free exchange of goods and services between individuals. I don't think most people would that infinite growth is an essential part of that equation as there are real examples of capitalistic economys that shrink every year. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hertg@infosec.pub 0 points 22 minutes ago Where are those capitalist "economies" that don't require growth? Are they decoupled, and not relying on the growth of the global economy? Does their pension system not explode if economic growth would come to a halt? If so, what makes them capitalist? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hertg@infosec.pub 0 points 22 minutes ago Where are those capitalist "economies" that don't require growth? Are they decoupled, and not relying on the growth of the global economy? Does their pension system not explode if economic growth would come to a halt? If so, what makes them capitalist? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] greenbit@lemmy.zip 1 point 39 minutes ago* (1 child) So you brought up a part of the current system with it failing? Capitalisms faiilures on multiple cornerstones, in addition to ecology, are broadly documented. You're allowed to update a belief with knowledge permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] knitwitt@lemmy.world 2 points 32 minutes ago (1 child) I think our ecological failures are often misattributed to economic philosophy. Collectivist societies have also caused irreparable ecological harm in the past, so the issue can't be capitalism exclusive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Squirrelanna@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 14 minutes ago It's not exclusive and no one said it was. Just that capitalism as we have it now has no room for ecological considerations. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] knitwitt@lemmy.world 2 points 32 minutes ago (1 child) I think our ecological failures are often misattributed to economic philosophy. Collectivist societies have also caused irreparable ecological harm in the past, so the issue can't be capitalism exclusive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Squirrelanna@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 14 minutes ago It's not exclusive and no one said it was. Just that capitalism as we have it now has no room for ecological considerations. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Squirrelanna@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 14 minutes ago It's not exclusive and no one said it was. Just that capitalism as we have it now has no room for ecological considerations. permalink fedilink source parent