you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] 4 points 13 hours ago* (3 children)

China also pollutes significantly more than India, even if the Chinese per person emission is lower than some other developed nations.

Plus, Capitalists invented the newer green power used by China and instead China invented bigger coal power plants.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 6 child comments
  • [–] 10 points 9 hours ago* (2 children)

    India remains heavily underdeveloped domestically. And the cultural gap - most remarkably, India's enormous vegetarian community - plays a bigger role than it's economic model in curbing gross emissions.

    It should also be noted that India has had and continues to have one of the largest active Communist Parties in history. In fact, the 34 years of the Left Front rule in West Bengal is the longest-serving democratically elected communist-led government in the world.

    So you can't really use India as a pure capitalist counterexample, unless you only want to discuss the corners of the county under decisive BJP rule (itself a relatively new political turn for India).

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 4 child comments
  • [–] 3 points 3 hours ago (1 child)

    Many developing nations like India, Vietnam and Ethiopia are going to leapfrog the fossil fuel detour and go straight to renewables which will also help.

    https://youtu.be/qoNr6hjy7aE

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 1 point 2 hours ago

    fingers crossed

    Idk if they're leapfrogging it so much as showing up late to a dry riverbed. There simply isn't enough petroleum left to do in India / the Pacific Rim or Africa in the 2020s what China, Europe, and the US went through in the 1980s. But I guess the US and Europe are helping out by retarding their technological progress long enough for these other countries to catch up and move ahead.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 6 points 8 hours ago

    China is the manufacturing hub of the entire world. Of course it's going to pollute significantly more than India, its energy consumption is 5 times of what India consumes.

    And I don't get this insinuation that China invests in coal power. China invests the most into renewable energy than anyone else in the world, almost 40% of global renewable investments come from China. And last I checked almost half of the energy China produces comes from renewables.

    And the reason China had use fossil fuels in the first place is because renewable tech didn't exist when they needed the energy. Why didn't it exist? Because capitalists refused to invest into green energy even though the oil companies did the research and knew that fossil fuels are a dead end (that research was done back in the 70s and Exxon decided to bury it instead of acting on it). We see in Africa that countries are skipping fossil fuels and are going straight to renewable because the tech exists, so it's reasonable assume the same would've happened in China had the tech existed.

    If you want to shit on China, there are legitimate points to criticize. Renewable energy is not one of those points.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 7 points 9 hours ago

    I think that's a bit reductive. Firstly, I wouldn't describe China as non-capatalist. Secondly, China has a nuanced relationship with environmentalism and green energy as one would expect from a nation that large.

  • source
  • parent