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[–] 1 point 17 hours ago* (1 child)

Europeans think of any European country as an equivalent to America as a whole.

Half of the problem with that phrase is that this line of thought is far more common from Americans than Europeans. No European think France = US in any other context than geopolitically, maybe. But a lot of US citizens do think that way. The phrase “Americans think 200 years is a long time, and Europeans think 200km is a long distance” is of US origin. It's literally the result of US ignorance that compares the geographical distances of a single European state, like Germany or France, to the entire extent of the continental US. Europeans are perfectly aware that 200km are 200km anywhere on the planet. Whether you are driving to another country or another state, it is irrelevant.

The other half of the problem is that the political dynamics of the European Union are fundamentally different to the United States federation. Just by the fact that the US was forged in war while the EU is an economics first agreement. Their nature is vastly different and not comparable at all. Maybe one day in the future the EU will just be a federation of states, a single country with a single constitution, but today that's not the case. There's no executive power in the EU that can override a country's authority. That alone sets them so very far apart.

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  • [–] 4 points 16 hours ago* (3 children)

    Europeans are perfectly aware that 200km are 200km anywhere on the planet

    There is a difference in the way distances are perceived; I was talking to a British person bemoaning that airfare was 200 lbs more expensive in Manchester than London, and treated the notion of driving just 4 hours as if it was crazy. I've heard similar stories about not visiting family because they're just a few hours away by car.

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  • [–] 2 points 12 hours ago*

    The classic saying "In Europe, 100km is a long distance. In the US, 100 years is a long time" holds a lot more truth about perceptions in the respective cultures than you'd expect. I've had a very pleasant 100km daily commute - seriously, I quite miss that - and at the same time, there's a building down the street that's just been added to the historical registry and was built in the late 80s.

    Meanwhile I've had German friends offer to book me a hotel when I went from Cologne to Essen to give them a visit (admittedly this might have just been learned pragmatism, I was taking the trip on DB...) and said hotel dated back to before my ancestors had a written language.

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  • [–] 3 points 15 hours ago

    That really just depends on the scale they are personally used to though, for a fair few years I lived ~5 hours from my family (relatively far within the country), but it didn't feel like very much because I/we visited my partner's family on the other side of the continent at least once a year. Prior to that, I don't think that I would have visited anywhere near as frequently.

    The lack of Schengen and now EU membership may make British people more prone to being on the smaller side of this.

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  • [–] 0 points 16 hours ago* (2 children)

    Sure, perception can change. When all you have is a car and a highway. It seems outrageous to want an alternative. When you are used to high quality public transport, driving there is a chore.

    Driving four hours is an effort that you have to actively take. Plus costs for ownership or rental, fuel and lodging. Americans treat these factors as mundane (and the cultural romanticization of road trips that doesn't exist anywhere else), but they have real costs. Sure, a plane or a train are more expensive. But it offloads a great deal of cognitive costs as well.

    The distance itself doesn't change though.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 hours ago (1 child)

    Sure, a plane or a train are more expensive

    Are things really that bad in Europe? In Japan, non-HSR is cheaper than driving, in China HSR is slightly cheaper than gas, and in vietnam I can even put my motorcycle on the train for less than it would cost to drive.

    Trains being more expensive than driving sounds like what happens when you have politicians trying to kill your train system.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 hours ago*

    Totally depends on the country and the route. I don't live there but have family. They say some train lines are comparable to a plane ticket. Some are cheaper, some are more expensive. The most expensive ones are usually the ones that cross national borders. Though overall the train will always be considered a tiny bit more expensive, it will also be a lot more comfortable. Since the airlines with tickets cheaper than trains usually offer the tiniest seats with zero amenities.

    Some countries are better than others as well. In England, trains can get you almost anywhere relatively comfortable and fast (yes, some caveats exist). Spain is rather good in the central regions but many places have spotty coverage. While in Switzerland you can go virtually everywhere except the alps without ever sitting in a car.

    The big comparison, that most people fail at, is not just the price of gas. Cars are taxed heavily almost everywhere in the EU. And the tight emissions regulations also require a lot of regular maintenance. So the train will always be more expensive than just the gas, but not more expensive than the bigger picture of car ownership. Plus, if you drive, you're the sod stuck driving the whole way.

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  • [–] 0 points 16 hours ago (1 child)

    "Offloading cognitive costs" for the sake of convenience is ruining this species.

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  • [–] 1 point 15 hours ago* (1 child)

    I meant like paying someone else to drive the plane/train/bus. Not the AI kind.

    Having to drive everywhere makes people misserable.

    Edit: we take for granted the infrastructure required to support a society that drives everywhere in personal cars. That is what is actually driving the species to extinction via climate change.

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  • [–] 1 point 15 hours ago

    I wasn't just talking about AI.

    Being trapped and anxious makes people miserable; lots of people are scared of driving (because they're bad at it and/or have attached anxiety), and sitting in traffic is frustrating. There's lots of very good reasons to choose mass transit. The unwillingness to be engaged with the task of driving a car for a few hours is not a good reason, it's a symptom of a totally cooked attention span.

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