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YSK: If you're on Lemmy.World or Sh.itjust.works you should not subscribe to any Beehaw communities (lemmy.world)
submitted 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) by to c/youshouldknow@lemmy.world
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Why YSK: Beehaw defederated from Lemmy.World and Sh.itjust.works effectively shadowbanning anyone from those instances. You will not be able to interact with their users or posts.

Edit: A lot of people are asking why Beehaw did this. I want to keep this post informational and not color it with my personal opinion. I am adding a link to the Beehaw announcement if you are interested in reading it, you can form your own views. https://beehaw.org/post/567170

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[–] 32 points 3 years ago (5 children)

Having read this, I get what they’re going for, but also question the venue a bit.

With Lemmy being about federation, it sounds like they want to have a de federated mini Lemmy to themselves where they can decide who is allowed in or not. Not that that is a bad thing, if there’s a demand for it, but I think it’s different than what every other instance is about and maybe would be better as something like a Discord server (or FOSS alternative).

Again just my 2c, I just know I’m looking for a better quality alternative to Reddit, and an isolated instance isn’t my cup of tea.

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  • [–] 20 points 3 years ago* (2 children)

    Eh, I have accounts on both instances. I've appreciated the active moderation on some Beehaw communities - I'd rather discuss LGBTQ issues on Beehaw than other instances, for example. But I also like to see more content elsewhere, so I've got my Lemmy.world account too. It's pretty easy to account hop when using an app. It's reminds me of being a member of multiple hobbyist forums, in a way.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    I'm still looking for an app that lets me browse using multiple accounts at once. I'd like to have a feed from Beehaw and Lemmy.World, for example. Defederation won't be a problem if I opt in to moving in and out of their walled garden

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

    You can still subscribe to stuff on Beehaw from elsewhere it's just interaction with it is turned off for now. It would be nice if an app had a selector for what account to post/vote as on the fly though.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    So the question is it turned off for the blocked instances or is it just not visible to Beehaw. If I make a post from Sh.itjustworks, can someone from Lemmyworld see it? Or can no one see it?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago

    As far as I understand, Sh.itjustworks and Lemmy.World are communicating like normal right now. So users should be able to post to communities in each of those instances, comment, etc. unless that user is using a Beehaw login.

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  • [–] -5 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    I'd rather discuss LGBTQ issues on Beehaw

    Sooo.. I'm nonbinary.. and I got banned from beehaw for talking about my ex pushing their daughter into LGBTQ.

    So who gets to decide what issues are acceptable to talk about?

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Admins and moderators decide on behavioral standards for their instances, just as it has been for every discussion forum that has ever existed. I don't care to personally adjudicate your experience with Beehaw - I am simply sharing my own.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    It's important to remember that federation is just a feature in the end. As an instance administrator, you're absolutely free to choose who to federate with.

    I don't see anyone giving Hexbear any shit for not federating with anybody.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    People are just salty because they have some of the largest communities.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    But they're rightfully salty if Beehaw defederating themselves deprives this platform of a big chunk of content and users, especially during this month

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  • [–] 9 points 3 years ago

    That's the thing. If someone defederates with you, and you wand a community on that instance. Then you are free to make the lost community in your instance. And if re-federation happens, both community can co exist without problems.

    Also you can make an account on the instance that defederated. So you still can view the community you want.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    I disagree, they definitely don't want their own mini Lemmy. They want a safe space they are happy with, and defederation the only way they can do that with Lemmy's current mod tools.

    Lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works make up about 20% of the acitve users in the threadiverse (source). That is a lot, and it sucks, but it's far off from making beehaw an isolated instance.

    Imo for now new users should be discouraged from joining Beehaw, lemmy.world, and sh.itjust.works, since all the content can be seen from other instances anyways.

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  • [+] -6 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    "Safe space" for who?

    They want a political echochamber.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    When your life and right to exist as who you are is political, it's nice to not have to deal with "debates" over that.

    Beehaw is pretty explicitly a safe space for queer people and other members of minority groups, and their allies or just anyone who can take the time not to be bigoted or "Just Ask Questions". They don't exactly hide this fact ;p

    They are much more proactive about it than other places, sometimes too much for my personal tastes (though I think about making an account there for when I don't feel up for dealing with shit >.<) even if I respect what they are doing.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    I don't agree at all. The fact of the matter is I can't even talk about my lived experiences being nonbinary in beehaw so to call it a safe space for minorities is blatantly false.

    This is the "I have a black friend" of online communities.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 years ago

    From what I see, you said you said something about your ex """pushing""" their daughter "into" LGBTQ. Which is stupid. 99.999% of the time this a bad faith argument from trolls and even if not you cant make someone queer just as much as you can't make someone straight or cis. Queer people are exposed to intense social pressure to be cishet and yet we are still not. You can feel pressure into hiding or self-repressing or self-denying, but that's a different thing >.<

    Also, you can be bigoted while bieng a part of a minority group.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago

    I think a thing to note is that their community was here and well established well before rexxit. Rexxit put a lot of stress on many instances and their moderation ability, so it makes perfect sense that they might prioritize protecting their established community from abuse over being connected to every instance that intends to be a reddit alternative. There are plenty of instances they remain federated to that share their more careful moderation.

    I expect that some time in the future they may reconnect with some more popular instances, as rexxit slows down and modding tools improve.

    The nice thing about federation is you can choose to join more or less connected instances depending on what type of moderation you are looking for.

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