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Torvalds: AI Is the New Compiler, Not the New Programmer (pbxscience.com)
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[–] 27 points 1 month ago (21 children)

After seeing what happened to windows because of this "tool" I think many of us are rightfully skeptical of what will happen to this community.

It happened before, why are we okay with it happening again?

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  • [–] 31 points 1 month ago* (20 children)

    Microsoft doesn’t treat it as a tool; that’s the problem.

    …Which isn’t surprising. Not only because Microsoft is Microsoft, but they own like a third of OpenAI, so they have a vested interest in perpetuating the AI hype.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (19 children)

    Microsoft has far more people relying on their products to work, so you'd think they'd exercise far more diligence in making things work...

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago* (13 children)

    Well... Microsoft is Microsoft.

    This is what they do. They simply cannot help themselves.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (12 children)

    It honestly makes me distrust the whole move because you would genuinely think that if the world depends on your stuff to work you would make it work, AI or not.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago* (11 children)

    We’re still talking about Microsoft, right?

    They have a looooong history of enshittification and footgunning that predates “AI” by decades, no matter how much the world has depended on their stuff. So no, I suppose I wouldn’t think that, as that would break decades of precedence for MS. But I suppose I never trusted them in the first place.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (10 children)

    It's strange to me because well, I was a 20+ years windows veteran who managed to never have issues on any of my windows installs prior to the last couple years when the ai thing went full swing. maybe part of that was me, because I was inattentive and reckless, but it really just became too much to ignore. i have a genuinely hard time with the idea of essentially retconning the way things always used to Just Work for me in my Windows days. maybe it was bad when I was there and I just didn't notice. but blegh.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago* (3 children)

    MS's antics extend well beyond Windows, unfortunately. There are long blogs and writeups dedicated to it.

    But what you said is also kinda true. 7 and XP worked reasonably well as long as you didn't mess with them, push their bounds too much, or use them for anything "weird." But you also probably missed a lot of dysfunction in the background.

    I'm not trying to shill for Windows 7/XP era OSX or linux or anything either. But Windows has always been kinda notorious.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    I never really got into OS modding until recently, so that could be why everything felt smooth until the end. Looking back I suspect a lot of my good experience chalked down to luck.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago* (1 child)

    This is true of all OSes TBH. Issues arise when you start to mess with them.

    Remember this if you switch to linux.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (3 children)

    Can't say I've had your experience, Windows always had issues. Think 7 was the least problematic version for me and the last one I remember fondly.

    I have a car diagnostics laptop running 8.1 because it doesn't support legacy boot for 7 and is too weak for 10. That UX was horrendous. Then came 10 which was unusable without an SSD. That sounds like the norm now but back then a lot of people didn't have them. I'm not even going to mention 11, it came out before the AI craze and has sucked since release.

    But the really crazy side of Microsoft is the ERPs. Way too much always changing. Good old systems being retired because they have a worse new one to replace it with, etc.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    I skipped 8/8.1 purely because the look of it annoyed me. XP and 7 basically ran flawless on all my machines I had them on. I wasn't too annoyed with 10 on HDD, but SSD definitely helped. 11 felt fundamentally identical to 10 for me for the first few years, and the AI stuff was when everything fell apart for me. It may be a matter of luck, ignorance, and not understanding quite what was wrong.

    The situation with Windows the last few years has left me cynical of this entire craze. hopefully things end up alright in the end.

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  • [+] 1 point 1 month ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 child)
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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    The first BSoD I ever experienced for myself was on Windows 10, and they were incredibly rare for me. My XP machine was largely disconnected from the internet for the majority of its existence and the only issues it had were because it was a literal shitbox potato trying to do more than it could handle.

    I'm not saying it was 100% perfect, but compared to the horror stories everywhere else it might as well have been. Being careful online certainly helps, as I never caught a virus that I wasn't intentionally trying to test just to see what would happen.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (4 children)

    Far more people compared to what?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Linux which is still stuck at around 3% market share

    Windows basically rules the world on desktop PCs

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Desktop PCs are really small part of the whole, far more people rely on working linux systems to work, like orders of magnitude more.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    I mean the fact that one of my biggest sources of productivity back when I was there has been essentially nuked since I left, does make me feel limited even though everything else works really well so far. Hopefully that changes but I'm having a hard time migrating that last piece of the puzzle over.

    It does make me feel like we need more people here, to make that work.

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