1196
Corporate media, owned by billionaires, refuse to recognize the wave of democratic socialism (thelemmy.club)
submitted 1 month ago by to c/workreform@lemmy.world
98 comments fedilink hide all child comments
 
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] 1 point 1 month ago* (8 children)

I don't. Unsure is lacking in support. They don't support him. They are included in the "less than half don't support" of the headline.

For another example of this language, atheist = lacking belief in a god. It does not mean you believe there isn't a god. Non-believers includes those who are anti-theist and atheist. They all lack belief, but one is against and one is neutral. Believers are the other group, who actively believe in one.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 8 child comments
    •
  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (7 children)

    70% < 50%?

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 7 child comments
    •
  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    What?

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 6 child comments
    •
  • [–] -2 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    If 47% view the DSA unfavorably, and 23% are unsure (which you're counting as unsupportive) then we're at 70%.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 5 child comments
    •
  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (4 children)

    I'm only discussing the headline posted, not if it's wrong. What it says is that more than half support. I'm not claiming that's correct.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 4 child comments
    •
  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    No, the headline says less than half support.

    And there's a case to be made for the author to only include those who indicated they were explicitly unfavorable, and not those who were unsure (or agnostic). Otherwise Dan's criticism would have been that they included those to inflate the numbers.

    The only thing that there isn't a case for is claiming that more than half do support the DSA.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
    •
  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Alright, this is my last message, but I'll try to explain it. This is an example of DeMorgan's law.

    Let's call "support" A, and "50%" B, just so we can move it away from natural language. Not A means "not support" or "don't support".

    The headline can be expressed as "not A < B". Using DeMorgan's law, we can change that to an equivalent statement of "A >= B".

    Now, convert it back to natural language and that's "support >= 50%".

    Again, I'm not making a claim on the validity. I am only expressing what the headline says. Headlines can be wrong, and the article may even contradict it. That doesn't affect the headline though.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
    •