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[–] -4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Not sure I understand, are you implying that because insurance companies openly discriminate, that means it's not discrimination? So if a capitalist industry says it's true, then it's true?

Or, are you implying something along the lines to say that men are, by nature, dumber and impulsive? Like it's some fact of biology measurable by statistics? And not like, some kind of expected role placed on men to fit into society, encouraging them to be brash and aggressive? Boys will by boys and all that.

But hey, lets abuse statistic and this "by nature" argument a bit more, see how that line of thinking has been used against other groups of people, and see if it feels alight:

"Women are simply not as smart and are meant to be caring and loving mothers, its in their nature".

Hmmmmm, troubling. But statistically, at that time, true. Because women weren't allowed in higher education and were expected to keep house. So crazy thing, that's what a large statistic of women did. The weren't educated and grew up to be housewives as their only skill. And look at that, now I can use the artificially induced statistic as evidence and create this neato little feedback loop until everyone just accepts it an immutable fact of nature.

It's almost like... we have this society built on explicit gender roles and expectations. And trying to use those societal pressures as some kind of proof of nature, is pretty fucking dumb, and inherently sexist af. And flipping the roles so as to say "haha men dumb" doesn't make it any less sexist. And playing this dumb "what do you mean?" game is insincere bullshit.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 week ago* (1 child)

    Hmmmmm, troubling. But statistically, at that time, true. Because women weren’t allowed in higher education and were expected to keep house. So crazy thing, that’s what a large statistic of women did. The weren’t educated and grew up to be housewives as their only skill. And look at that, now I can use the artificially induced statistic as evidence and create this neato little feedback loop until everyone just accepts it an immutable fact of nature.

    Comparing systemic sexism and centuries of patriarchal suppression of women to a funny tweet that's akin to the "golden retriever boyfriend" trope sure is a thing you can do.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    interesting that you flipped the comparative metaphor to a positive one. Why didn't you chose a "funny tweet" that's derogatory? Do they have different connotations and thus are treated differently when discussing issues of discriminatory behaviour?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 week ago* (1 child)

    I think being compared to an orange cat is generally positive.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 week ago* (2 children)

    sure man, lets just play pretend that the popularly understood interpretation of a thing is not what's being implied. I think you're a bitch... waitwaitwait, I mean that in a positive way, like how bitches are motherly and loyal dogs. Isn't that what people mean when they say that?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Come on, name calling is crossing the line and you know it.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    I wasn't namecalling, I was just comparing you to an animal.

    Isn't that exactly what was being said by OP? If you interpreted it as insulting or crossing the line, then that's your misunderstanding. I mean, I think being compared to an orange cat a bitch is generally positive.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    I wasn’t namecalling, I was just comparing you to an animal.

    If you think being compared to an orange cat is the same as being called a bitch, we have absolutely nothing left to discuss.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    I don't think you had anything to discuss to begin with. You just wanted to defend sexist bullshit and be a contrarian when it fits your fancy.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 week ago* (1 child)

    If this is sexist, then by all means I am sexist.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    you are, but not because of that. But because of the lengths you're willing to go to continue to justify your sexism. Thanks for finally admitting it though. We've made great progress today.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Tell me you didn't understand my comment without telling me you didn't understand my comment.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    If all you have left are twitter meme quotes, you can leave.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Lol, your level projection could be used to improve imax technology.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago

    Complete misreading of the situation tbh.

    I don't know how to make this not sound like some kind of personal attack but I'm going to try. There was a lot you said, I wanna focus on the "calling someone a bitch, but actually I just meant that as a term for an animal" part.

    Yes. The word "bitch" can refer to a female dog. That is true. That hasn't been the way people use the word for the last like 500 years tho. It's meant to be an insult.

    Imagine if I called you a "fucking bastard". And when you tried calling me out for it my response was "Actually I was calling you an illegitimate heir to a kingdom, duh, you're the one who's bad for thinking i meant it as an insult. "

    You don't have to respond. Let it marinate for a minute. I'm not trying to "win". I can see why you saw it as sexist. Orange cat = bad. Men = orange cat. Therefore men = bad. I just wonder how quickly that conclusion was arrived at.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago

    Not a directly response to your comment, a small observation. imo when grandparent comment said:

    Comparing systemic sexism and centuries of patriarchal suppression of women to a funny tweet

    Then you immediately know they are of the prejudice + power definition of sexism and racism. People on either side of this debate are so hard to convince to the other side that I personally just don't engage further

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  • [–] 11 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Not sure I understand, are you implying that because insurance companies openly discriminate, that means it's not discrimination?

    Discrimination usually requires proof of unfair treatment. Insurance companies avoid this by proving these metrics are mathematically and actuarially tied to risk rather than intentional bias.

    Are you denying that young men are less risk adverse than young women, that young men do not injure themselves and others more than young women?

    are you implying something along the lines to say that men are, by nature, dumber and impulsive? Like it's some fact of biology measurable by statistics?

    Yes..... Testosterone is well known to effect mood regulation and decision making, including the ability to control and reflect upon impulsive behaviour.

    line of thinking has been used against other groups of people, and see if it feels alight:

    Yes because falsely equating modern medical science to something like phrenology is totally a legitimate argument....

    Women are simply not as smart and are meant to be caring and loving mothers, its in their nature

    That is making an absolute claim, which is not what I or the original the original post did.

    Also, most all studies agree that women and men both have the same average IQ of around 100, but tend to be better at different aspects of the test.

    The second part of your claim is not really something that can be statically measured? "Women are supposed to be loving mother" as opposed to what exactly? How are we quantifying what a loving mother is?

    The weren't educated and grew up to be housewives as their only skill.

    More women are seeking higher education then men currently?

    Even your "pretend" sexism is moronic. So I guess you are being a little orange cat brained today.

    It's almost like... we have this society built on explicit gender roles and expectations.

    It's almost like you are dramatically over reaching to turn this two sentence post so you can turn this thread into an Incel soapbox about the male loneliness epidemic.

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  • [+] -9 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    tldr: you really really really wanna justify your sexist views cuz they make with the funny.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    No, just tired of people reaching for the worst excuse that they use to blame their ineptitude and inability to succeed in life.

    You might have a lot going on with your life, you may currently be discriminated against for a number of valid reasons.... Being a man is not one of them.

    There is no society on the planet where women currently have more institutional, economic, or social power than men.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    ah, one of those "only men can be sexist" types.

    I'm not going to play educator with a freshman gender studies edgelord. Do some more reading, get a nuanced view. Manhating is not feminism. Read up on intersectional feminism. You're one bad view away from being a full fledged TERF.

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  • ah, one of those "only men can be sexist" types.

    Lol, and when did I say that? You can experience someone calling you a derogatory name, or be depicted in a sexist way. What you cannot experience is systemic and life altering sexism that can functionally impede your ability to succeed in society.

    Do some more reading, get a nuanced view.

    Right after you work on your reading comprehension.....

    Manhating is not feminism. Read up on intersectional feminism.

    Hello, it is me...the man hating man. Just because I don't whine like a little boy anytime someone pokes fun in the direction of my gender, does not mean I hate myself.

    I'm just not a angsty teenager that tries to equivocate my hurt feelings to the generational systemic sexism experienced by women, a sexism that's historically been backed by violence on a personal and state level.

    You're one bad view away from being a full fledged TERF

    Wut? Defending women equals me being TERF? Are you implying that trans women are not women?

    Get the fuck out here dude. What line will you not cross to paint yourself as a victim?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Misandry doesn’t exist the way misogyny does.

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  • What? You mean thousands of years of violent political, economic and social oppression isn't equivalent to when I get lonely and blame not having friends on society........? But being lonely makes me sad and I don't think that's fair.

    No, that can't be...... It's women's fault I don't have friends. I don't know how, but I think if I just watch Joe Rogan enough I will find the answer.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago

    They were saying that if something is getting you down, if you're feeling discriminated against, the reason isn't "because you're a man". It would be some other reason.

    Then you throw some names and condescension.

    There's a word for manhating, it's missandry. I've done some reading.

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