▲ 1127 ▼ Cory Doctorow: The people who tell you ‘AI is changing everything’ are lying (www.thenerve.news) submitted 1 month ago by floofloof@lemmy.ca to c/technology@lemmy.world 451 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] non_burglar@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (11 children) Yes, exactly. Block chain would have been an amazing solution to most democratic vote validation processes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] benjirenji@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 month ago (5 children) It can still be used that way. While most people talk about how corrupt politicians enrich themselves with fake currencies, more legal and legitimate uses can still use decentralized ledgers for useful things. Of course these won't make headlines. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 month ago (4 children) There are far better global ledger approaches than blockchain. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] benjirenji@slrpnk.net 8 points 1 month ago (3 children) I believe you, but can you name one so we can all learn more about the alternatives out there? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 month ago (2 children) SWIFT is the easy one. Fun fact they looked into blockchain at one point and went "yeah, nah" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Uebercomplicated@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago (1 child) I thought Swift is currently Block-Chain based. Do you mean this Swift? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago I meant the true and proper SWIFT that is used by almost all financial institutions for transferring funds. permalink fedilink source parent [–] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) Aren't votes meant to be anonymous to avoid retribution? Isn't the public ledger identifying information to be used by authoritarian violence on every single voter in that case? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] non_burglar@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago Proposed ideas for block chain to maintain election integrity would only use a block chain ledger to verify counts, not store voter information. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago (2 children) Well no, because we don't have a problem that blockchain solves (better than open software, if it must be digital), and there are loads of problems that the blockchain doesn't solve. Like how am I supposed to vote with that thing under no coercion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] non_burglar@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 child) I'm not really sure what you're getting at. The blockchain is a good mechanism to maintain a source of truth that is inspectable and verifiable by anyone. It would only serve to certify that official counts can't be tampered with in certain ways. But it doesn't replace the whole democratic voting process. It doesn't protect against coercive voting, for instance. My point originally was that blockchain can be of use to us, but tech bros ruined its rep. Same with AI. I've been waiting for routers with ai-powered (really, just machine learning) firewalls that can adapt rules to environments. But instead of that, everyone is obsessed with generative stuff that isnt very good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 month ago Yeah I hear you, but the 51% attack exists. Like if you use paper ballots, you're safer and it consumes less energy. There is just nothing better by using a blockchain, and paper ballots (for example) can be verified by anyone, the blockchain not so much. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] benjirenji@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 month ago (5 children) It can still be used that way. While most people talk about how corrupt politicians enrich themselves with fake currencies, more legal and legitimate uses can still use decentralized ledgers for useful things. Of course these won't make headlines. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 month ago (4 children) There are far better global ledger approaches than blockchain. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] benjirenji@slrpnk.net 8 points 1 month ago (3 children) I believe you, but can you name one so we can all learn more about the alternatives out there? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 month ago (2 children) SWIFT is the easy one. Fun fact they looked into blockchain at one point and went "yeah, nah" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Uebercomplicated@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago (1 child) I thought Swift is currently Block-Chain based. Do you mean this Swift? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago I meant the true and proper SWIFT that is used by almost all financial institutions for transferring funds. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 month ago (4 children) There are far better global ledger approaches than blockchain. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] benjirenji@slrpnk.net 8 points 1 month ago (3 children) I believe you, but can you name one so we can all learn more about the alternatives out there? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 month ago (2 children) SWIFT is the easy one. Fun fact they looked into blockchain at one point and went "yeah, nah" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Uebercomplicated@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago (1 child) I thought Swift is currently Block-Chain based. Do you mean this Swift? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago I meant the true and proper SWIFT that is used by almost all financial institutions for transferring funds. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] benjirenji@slrpnk.net 8 points 1 month ago (3 children) I believe you, but can you name one so we can all learn more about the alternatives out there? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 month ago (2 children) SWIFT is the easy one. Fun fact they looked into blockchain at one point and went "yeah, nah" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Uebercomplicated@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago (1 child) I thought Swift is currently Block-Chain based. Do you mean this Swift? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago I meant the true and proper SWIFT that is used by almost all financial institutions for transferring funds. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 month ago (2 children) SWIFT is the easy one. Fun fact they looked into blockchain at one point and went "yeah, nah" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Uebercomplicated@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago (1 child) I thought Swift is currently Block-Chain based. Do you mean this Swift? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago I meant the true and proper SWIFT that is used by almost all financial institutions for transferring funds. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Uebercomplicated@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago (1 child) I thought Swift is currently Block-Chain based. Do you mean this Swift? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago I meant the true and proper SWIFT that is used by almost all financial institutions for transferring funds. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago I meant the true and proper SWIFT that is used by almost all financial institutions for transferring funds. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) Aren't votes meant to be anonymous to avoid retribution? Isn't the public ledger identifying information to be used by authoritarian violence on every single voter in that case? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] non_burglar@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago Proposed ideas for block chain to maintain election integrity would only use a block chain ledger to verify counts, not store voter information. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] non_burglar@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago Proposed ideas for block chain to maintain election integrity would only use a block chain ledger to verify counts, not store voter information. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago (2 children) Well no, because we don't have a problem that blockchain solves (better than open software, if it must be digital), and there are loads of problems that the blockchain doesn't solve. Like how am I supposed to vote with that thing under no coercion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] non_burglar@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 child) I'm not really sure what you're getting at. The blockchain is a good mechanism to maintain a source of truth that is inspectable and verifiable by anyone. It would only serve to certify that official counts can't be tampered with in certain ways. But it doesn't replace the whole democratic voting process. It doesn't protect against coercive voting, for instance. My point originally was that blockchain can be of use to us, but tech bros ruined its rep. Same with AI. I've been waiting for routers with ai-powered (really, just machine learning) firewalls that can adapt rules to environments. But instead of that, everyone is obsessed with generative stuff that isnt very good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 month ago Yeah I hear you, but the 51% attack exists. Like if you use paper ballots, you're safer and it consumes less energy. There is just nothing better by using a blockchain, and paper ballots (for example) can be verified by anyone, the blockchain not so much. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] non_burglar@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 child) I'm not really sure what you're getting at. The blockchain is a good mechanism to maintain a source of truth that is inspectable and verifiable by anyone. It would only serve to certify that official counts can't be tampered with in certain ways. But it doesn't replace the whole democratic voting process. It doesn't protect against coercive voting, for instance. My point originally was that blockchain can be of use to us, but tech bros ruined its rep. Same with AI. I've been waiting for routers with ai-powered (really, just machine learning) firewalls that can adapt rules to environments. But instead of that, everyone is obsessed with generative stuff that isnt very good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 month ago Yeah I hear you, but the 51% attack exists. Like if you use paper ballots, you're safer and it consumes less energy. There is just nothing better by using a blockchain, and paper ballots (for example) can be verified by anyone, the blockchain not so much. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 month ago Yeah I hear you, but the 51% attack exists. Like if you use paper ballots, you're safer and it consumes less energy. There is just nothing better by using a blockchain, and paper ballots (for example) can be verified by anyone, the blockchain not so much. permalink fedilink source parent