▲ 1129 ▼ Cory Doctorow: The people who tell you ‘AI is changing everything’ are lying (www.thenerve.news) submitted 2 months ago by floofloof@lemmy.ca to c/technology@lemmy.world 450 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Krusty@quokk.au 38 points 2 months ago (12 children) I was talking about roof sheathing with the latest chat gpt. It was confident the joists should go above the sheathing. permalink fedilink source hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] MangoCats@feddit.it 34 points 2 months ago You might want a 2nd opinion, did you ask Grok? permalink fedilink source parent [–] sammy_miami@piefed.world 17 points 2 months ago (8 children) LLMs seem to be pretty bad at home improvement sort of questions in my experience. I suspect they don’t have a team of carpenters they use to RL the models, like they do for software engineers, etc permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] tempest@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 months ago (6 children) Software is easier because you can basically 'inspect the house' and the 'home inspector' via software. Harder to do that with a house. Also a lot of different rules based on locality. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Rooster326@programming.dev 20 points 2 months ago* (5 children) Reminder it doesn't know anything. It is just mimicking text it has been programmed for. For it to be "good" at mimicking home improvement, it's source needed to be full of home improvement talk. The best carpenters, plumbers, whatever aren't on reddit, or wherever talking shop. They're working, or making OSHA jokes at the bar. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] TheLegendaryAssholeOfJushinLiger@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago (4 children) How do people work? Are there ones born knowing how to use a hacksaw? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] CandleTiger@programming.dev 10 points 2 months ago* Mostly tradies are learning by hands-on apprenticeship with a master. All that discussion is not on the internet. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NoForwadSlashS@piefed.social 2 points 2 months ago (2 children) How did anyone ever learn anything before chatgpt? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheLegendaryAssholeOfJushinLiger@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 months ago Personally I would ask my aunt and she would be wrong. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Rooster326@programming.dev 2 points 2 months ago* The better question is how will anyone ever learn after ChatGPT I can't be the only one who will have a hard time for me to trust any professional who became qualified after 2023. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Rooster326@programming.dev 3 points 2 months ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Sirius006@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) I work in construction and so far I must admit that I have no idea what the hype is about. But I have decades of experience, meaning I don't know shit about anything BUT I know how to quickly find usefull information in the codes or in pertinents books. If I were younger I might have fallen into the trap. If so I would probably be in jail by now, because in my tests I've seen LLM be dangerously wrong. permalink fedilink source parent [–] slaacaa@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago Vibe construction permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 34 points 2 months ago You might want a 2nd opinion, did you ask Grok? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sammy_miami@piefed.world 17 points 2 months ago (8 children) LLMs seem to be pretty bad at home improvement sort of questions in my experience. I suspect they don’t have a team of carpenters they use to RL the models, like they do for software engineers, etc permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] tempest@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 months ago (6 children) Software is easier because you can basically 'inspect the house' and the 'home inspector' via software. Harder to do that with a house. Also a lot of different rules based on locality. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Rooster326@programming.dev 20 points 2 months ago* (5 children) Reminder it doesn't know anything. It is just mimicking text it has been programmed for. For it to be "good" at mimicking home improvement, it's source needed to be full of home improvement talk. The best carpenters, plumbers, whatever aren't on reddit, or wherever talking shop. They're working, or making OSHA jokes at the bar. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] TheLegendaryAssholeOfJushinLiger@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago (4 children) How do people work? Are there ones born knowing how to use a hacksaw? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] CandleTiger@programming.dev 10 points 2 months ago* Mostly tradies are learning by hands-on apprenticeship with a master. All that discussion is not on the internet. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NoForwadSlashS@piefed.social 2 points 2 months ago (2 children) How did anyone ever learn anything before chatgpt? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheLegendaryAssholeOfJushinLiger@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 months ago Personally I would ask my aunt and she would be wrong. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Rooster326@programming.dev 2 points 2 months ago* The better question is how will anyone ever learn after ChatGPT I can't be the only one who will have a hard time for me to trust any professional who became qualified after 2023. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Rooster326@programming.dev 3 points 2 months ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tempest@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 months ago (6 children) Software is easier because you can basically 'inspect the house' and the 'home inspector' via software. Harder to do that with a house. Also a lot of different rules based on locality. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Rooster326@programming.dev 20 points 2 months ago* (5 children) Reminder it doesn't know anything. It is just mimicking text it has been programmed for. For it to be "good" at mimicking home improvement, it's source needed to be full of home improvement talk. The best carpenters, plumbers, whatever aren't on reddit, or wherever talking shop. They're working, or making OSHA jokes at the bar. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] TheLegendaryAssholeOfJushinLiger@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago (4 children) How do people work? Are there ones born knowing how to use a hacksaw? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] CandleTiger@programming.dev 10 points 2 months ago* Mostly tradies are learning by hands-on apprenticeship with a master. All that discussion is not on the internet. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NoForwadSlashS@piefed.social 2 points 2 months ago (2 children) How did anyone ever learn anything before chatgpt? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheLegendaryAssholeOfJushinLiger@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 months ago Personally I would ask my aunt and she would be wrong. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Rooster326@programming.dev 2 points 2 months ago* The better question is how will anyone ever learn after ChatGPT I can't be the only one who will have a hard time for me to trust any professional who became qualified after 2023. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Rooster326@programming.dev 20 points 2 months ago* (5 children) Reminder it doesn't know anything. It is just mimicking text it has been programmed for. For it to be "good" at mimicking home improvement, it's source needed to be full of home improvement talk. The best carpenters, plumbers, whatever aren't on reddit, or wherever talking shop. They're working, or making OSHA jokes at the bar. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] TheLegendaryAssholeOfJushinLiger@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago (4 children) How do people work? Are there ones born knowing how to use a hacksaw? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] CandleTiger@programming.dev 10 points 2 months ago* Mostly tradies are learning by hands-on apprenticeship with a master. All that discussion is not on the internet. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NoForwadSlashS@piefed.social 2 points 2 months ago (2 children) How did anyone ever learn anything before chatgpt? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheLegendaryAssholeOfJushinLiger@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 months ago Personally I would ask my aunt and she would be wrong. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Rooster326@programming.dev 2 points 2 months ago* The better question is how will anyone ever learn after ChatGPT I can't be the only one who will have a hard time for me to trust any professional who became qualified after 2023. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheLegendaryAssholeOfJushinLiger@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago (4 children) How do people work? Are there ones born knowing how to use a hacksaw? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] CandleTiger@programming.dev 10 points 2 months ago* Mostly tradies are learning by hands-on apprenticeship with a master. All that discussion is not on the internet. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NoForwadSlashS@piefed.social 2 points 2 months ago (2 children) How did anyone ever learn anything before chatgpt? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheLegendaryAssholeOfJushinLiger@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 months ago Personally I would ask my aunt and she would be wrong. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Rooster326@programming.dev 2 points 2 months ago* The better question is how will anyone ever learn after ChatGPT I can't be the only one who will have a hard time for me to trust any professional who became qualified after 2023. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CandleTiger@programming.dev 10 points 2 months ago* Mostly tradies are learning by hands-on apprenticeship with a master. All that discussion is not on the internet. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NoForwadSlashS@piefed.social 2 points 2 months ago (2 children) How did anyone ever learn anything before chatgpt? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheLegendaryAssholeOfJushinLiger@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 months ago Personally I would ask my aunt and she would be wrong. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Rooster326@programming.dev 2 points 2 months ago* The better question is how will anyone ever learn after ChatGPT I can't be the only one who will have a hard time for me to trust any professional who became qualified after 2023. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheLegendaryAssholeOfJushinLiger@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 months ago Personally I would ask my aunt and she would be wrong. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Rooster326@programming.dev 2 points 2 months ago* The better question is how will anyone ever learn after ChatGPT I can't be the only one who will have a hard time for me to trust any professional who became qualified after 2023. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Sirius006@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) I work in construction and so far I must admit that I have no idea what the hype is about. But I have decades of experience, meaning I don't know shit about anything BUT I know how to quickly find usefull information in the codes or in pertinents books. If I were younger I might have fallen into the trap. If so I would probably be in jail by now, because in my tests I've seen LLM be dangerously wrong. permalink fedilink source parent