▲ 1784 ▼ New EU law requires devices to be repairable - Every phone, television or washing machine you buy in Europe must be easier to repair starting tomorrow. That’s when the European Right to Repair Act tak (www.nporadio1.nl) submitted 4 weeks ago* by inari@piefed.zip to c/technology@lemmy.world 285 comments fedilink hide all child comments The products covered by the obligation to repair currently include: washing machines and washer-dryers dishwashers refrigerators electronic displays welding equipment servers and data storage products mobile phones, cordless phones and tablets tumble dryers e-bikes and e-scooters batteries (from 18 February 2027) local space heaters
[–] vermaterc@lemmy.ml 55 points 4 weeks ago (5 children) permalink fedilink source hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 17 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (6 children) Why is bicycle on the list? A bicycle is the epitome of repairability. Edit: it got enshittified? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] hawgietonight@lemmy.world 13 points 4 weeks ago (1 child) Derailleur hangers come to mind, some brands use a different version in the same model lineup and model year. It's on purpose to confuse an make it difficult for the average rider to DIY. Also Cannondale, famous for using non-standard parts (and tools) for no apparent reason. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 6 points 4 weeks ago Ok, famous to not buy them then, thanks. permalink fedilink source parent [–] picnic@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 child) I take it you never heard Van Moof bricked bikes afteir their bankcruptcy? Edit: and thinking about ebike motors and their parts - bosch has locked down their engines real hard permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 3 points 4 weeks ago Some exceptions excluded. permalink fedilink source parent [–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 6 points 4 weeks ago It's red because there's nothing forcing bike manufacturers to continue down the path of repairability and outside of the enthusiast community, people might not care much, they'll just buy what's cheaper. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Jajcus@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 weeks ago That is probably a reason there are no special regulations for bicycle yet. But it is still a good idea to protect it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] polle@feddit.org 3 points 4 weeks ago (1 child) Did you ever repair a bike? Its like every model has its own special tools that you need to get Something unscrewed or pulled of. (You can buy them, though) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Hjalamanger@feddit.nu 2 points 4 weeks ago Although I do understand the need for some of those special tools. The thing for taking apart the chain comes to mind permalink fedilink source parent [–] gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 4 weeks ago Electric Bike for enshittified permalink fedilink source parent [–] roserose56@lemmy.zip 8 points 4 weeks ago (1 child) Yes espresso, especially the well known ones(gaggia, rocket, rancilio). They can be repaired! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 8 points 4 weeks ago (1 child) Well thing is this is not about whether the items are currently repairable, but whether laws require them to be. At the moment there's nothing stopping some dipshit from coming up with parts locks on espresso machines the way John Deere does them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] undefinedValue@programming.dev 3 points 4 weeks ago You’re basically describing any of the electronic style coffee machines, good luck repairing a vendor lock-in optimized keurig or nespresso machine that scans your pods to validate their IDs before brewing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Maroon@lemmy.world 3 points 4 weeks ago (2 children) Phones still have replaceable batteries? I have a Google Pixel 8. How do I even open that thing let alone replace the battery? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] tb_@lemmy.world 7 points 4 weeks ago That enforcement only came into effect recently. You can also buy kits to lift the back of glass sandwich phones, but that isn't the most straightforward process. permalink fedilink source parent [–] kestrel7_7@lemmy.world 4 points 4 weeks ago Heat gun: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QWu-7HddhM permalink fedilink source parent [–] Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 4 weeks ago No software updates for TVs, if that includes "smart" TVs, is insane. If the panel still works in 30 years, you should still be able to update to a supported OS version for the streaming apps in 30 years. Current "smart" TVs too often get bricked (for normies) by losing update support and then support from all the streaming apps. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Pika@sh.itjust.works 1 point 4 weeks ago* (1 child) The "mobile device" one is outdated isn't it? They added a water proofing exemption to the battery initiative which exempts any product that may be exposed to water, which exempts mobile devices, smart watches and outdoor equipment from needing removable batteries. I would classify a non-removable battery as the antithesis of repariability as they use single use glues to hold the covers on, and also usually glue components together as well. Unless they are saying that even with glued components its still easily repairable? but I disagree permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Syrc@lemmy.world 3 points 4 weeks ago (1 child) The Delegated Act I found says the exception is for (a) appliances, including wearable devices, specifically designed to operate primarily in an environment that is regularly subject to splashing water, water streams or water immersion, and that are intended to be washable or rinseable So I don’t think it applies to mobile phones. Or did it get changed again? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Pika@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 child) I wasn't aware of the last condition on it, that may have been changed since last I saw it. The last one I saw was just stating if it was exposed to water regularly such as smart watches and outdoor items. So it may be that they changed the restrictions again and I didn't notice as well. It's also possible I'm mixing regulations up permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Syrc@lemmy.world 1 point 3 weeks ago* I did find a lot of news articles saying that (for example) iPhones are excluded, though none of them had a clear source. Maybe mine is outdated too, I guess we’ll just have to see when they announce the new models. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 17 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (6 children) Why is bicycle on the list? A bicycle is the epitome of repairability. Edit: it got enshittified? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] hawgietonight@lemmy.world 13 points 4 weeks ago (1 child) Derailleur hangers come to mind, some brands use a different version in the same model lineup and model year. It's on purpose to confuse an make it difficult for the average rider to DIY. Also Cannondale, famous for using non-standard parts (and tools) for no apparent reason. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 6 points 4 weeks ago Ok, famous to not buy them then, thanks. permalink fedilink source parent [–] picnic@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 child) I take it you never heard Van Moof bricked bikes afteir their bankcruptcy? Edit: and thinking about ebike motors and their parts - bosch has locked down their engines real hard permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 3 points 4 weeks ago Some exceptions excluded. permalink fedilink source parent [–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 6 points 4 weeks ago It's red because there's nothing forcing bike manufacturers to continue down the path of repairability and outside of the enthusiast community, people might not care much, they'll just buy what's cheaper. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Jajcus@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 weeks ago That is probably a reason there are no special regulations for bicycle yet. But it is still a good idea to protect it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] polle@feddit.org 3 points 4 weeks ago (1 child) Did you ever repair a bike? Its like every model has its own special tools that you need to get Something unscrewed or pulled of. (You can buy them, though) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Hjalamanger@feddit.nu 2 points 4 weeks ago Although I do understand the need for some of those special tools. The thing for taking apart the chain comes to mind permalink fedilink source parent [–] gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 4 weeks ago Electric Bike for enshittified permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hawgietonight@lemmy.world 13 points 4 weeks ago (1 child) Derailleur hangers come to mind, some brands use a different version in the same model lineup and model year. It's on purpose to confuse an make it difficult for the average rider to DIY. Also Cannondale, famous for using non-standard parts (and tools) for no apparent reason. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 6 points 4 weeks ago Ok, famous to not buy them then, thanks. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 6 points 4 weeks ago Ok, famous to not buy them then, thanks. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] picnic@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 child) I take it you never heard Van Moof bricked bikes afteir their bankcruptcy? Edit: and thinking about ebike motors and their parts - bosch has locked down their engines real hard permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 3 points 4 weeks ago Some exceptions excluded. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 3 points 4 weeks ago Some exceptions excluded. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 6 points 4 weeks ago It's red because there's nothing forcing bike manufacturers to continue down the path of repairability and outside of the enthusiast community, people might not care much, they'll just buy what's cheaper. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jajcus@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 weeks ago That is probably a reason there are no special regulations for bicycle yet. But it is still a good idea to protect it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] polle@feddit.org 3 points 4 weeks ago (1 child) Did you ever repair a bike? Its like every model has its own special tools that you need to get Something unscrewed or pulled of. (You can buy them, though) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Hjalamanger@feddit.nu 2 points 4 weeks ago Although I do understand the need for some of those special tools. The thing for taking apart the chain comes to mind permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Hjalamanger@feddit.nu 2 points 4 weeks ago Although I do understand the need for some of those special tools. The thing for taking apart the chain comes to mind permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 4 weeks ago Electric Bike for enshittified permalink fedilink source parent
[–] roserose56@lemmy.zip 8 points 4 weeks ago (1 child) Yes espresso, especially the well known ones(gaggia, rocket, rancilio). They can be repaired! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 8 points 4 weeks ago (1 child) Well thing is this is not about whether the items are currently repairable, but whether laws require them to be. At the moment there's nothing stopping some dipshit from coming up with parts locks on espresso machines the way John Deere does them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] undefinedValue@programming.dev 3 points 4 weeks ago You’re basically describing any of the electronic style coffee machines, good luck repairing a vendor lock-in optimized keurig or nespresso machine that scans your pods to validate their IDs before brewing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 8 points 4 weeks ago (1 child) Well thing is this is not about whether the items are currently repairable, but whether laws require them to be. At the moment there's nothing stopping some dipshit from coming up with parts locks on espresso machines the way John Deere does them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] undefinedValue@programming.dev 3 points 4 weeks ago You’re basically describing any of the electronic style coffee machines, good luck repairing a vendor lock-in optimized keurig or nespresso machine that scans your pods to validate their IDs before brewing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] undefinedValue@programming.dev 3 points 4 weeks ago You’re basically describing any of the electronic style coffee machines, good luck repairing a vendor lock-in optimized keurig or nespresso machine that scans your pods to validate their IDs before brewing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Maroon@lemmy.world 3 points 4 weeks ago (2 children) Phones still have replaceable batteries? I have a Google Pixel 8. How do I even open that thing let alone replace the battery? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] tb_@lemmy.world 7 points 4 weeks ago That enforcement only came into effect recently. You can also buy kits to lift the back of glass sandwich phones, but that isn't the most straightforward process. permalink fedilink source parent [–] kestrel7_7@lemmy.world 4 points 4 weeks ago Heat gun: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QWu-7HddhM permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tb_@lemmy.world 7 points 4 weeks ago That enforcement only came into effect recently. You can also buy kits to lift the back of glass sandwich phones, but that isn't the most straightforward process. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kestrel7_7@lemmy.world 4 points 4 weeks ago Heat gun: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QWu-7HddhM permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 4 weeks ago No software updates for TVs, if that includes "smart" TVs, is insane. If the panel still works in 30 years, you should still be able to update to a supported OS version for the streaming apps in 30 years. Current "smart" TVs too often get bricked (for normies) by losing update support and then support from all the streaming apps. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Pika@sh.itjust.works 1 point 4 weeks ago* (1 child) The "mobile device" one is outdated isn't it? They added a water proofing exemption to the battery initiative which exempts any product that may be exposed to water, which exempts mobile devices, smart watches and outdoor equipment from needing removable batteries. I would classify a non-removable battery as the antithesis of repariability as they use single use glues to hold the covers on, and also usually glue components together as well. Unless they are saying that even with glued components its still easily repairable? but I disagree permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Syrc@lemmy.world 3 points 4 weeks ago (1 child) The Delegated Act I found says the exception is for (a) appliances, including wearable devices, specifically designed to operate primarily in an environment that is regularly subject to splashing water, water streams or water immersion, and that are intended to be washable or rinseable So I don’t think it applies to mobile phones. Or did it get changed again? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Pika@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 child) I wasn't aware of the last condition on it, that may have been changed since last I saw it. The last one I saw was just stating if it was exposed to water regularly such as smart watches and outdoor items. So it may be that they changed the restrictions again and I didn't notice as well. It's also possible I'm mixing regulations up permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Syrc@lemmy.world 1 point 3 weeks ago* I did find a lot of news articles saying that (for example) iPhones are excluded, though none of them had a clear source. Maybe mine is outdated too, I guess we’ll just have to see when they announce the new models. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Syrc@lemmy.world 3 points 4 weeks ago (1 child) The Delegated Act I found says the exception is for (a) appliances, including wearable devices, specifically designed to operate primarily in an environment that is regularly subject to splashing water, water streams or water immersion, and that are intended to be washable or rinseable So I don’t think it applies to mobile phones. Or did it get changed again? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Pika@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 child) I wasn't aware of the last condition on it, that may have been changed since last I saw it. The last one I saw was just stating if it was exposed to water regularly such as smart watches and outdoor items. So it may be that they changed the restrictions again and I didn't notice as well. It's also possible I'm mixing regulations up permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Syrc@lemmy.world 1 point 3 weeks ago* I did find a lot of news articles saying that (for example) iPhones are excluded, though none of them had a clear source. Maybe mine is outdated too, I guess we’ll just have to see when they announce the new models. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Pika@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 child) I wasn't aware of the last condition on it, that may have been changed since last I saw it. The last one I saw was just stating if it was exposed to water regularly such as smart watches and outdoor items. So it may be that they changed the restrictions again and I didn't notice as well. It's also possible I'm mixing regulations up permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Syrc@lemmy.world 1 point 3 weeks ago* I did find a lot of news articles saying that (for example) iPhones are excluded, though none of them had a clear source. Maybe mine is outdated too, I guess we’ll just have to see when they announce the new models. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Syrc@lemmy.world 1 point 3 weeks ago* I did find a lot of news articles saying that (for example) iPhones are excluded, though none of them had a clear source. Maybe mine is outdated too, I guess we’ll just have to see when they announce the new models. permalink fedilink source parent