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No, it's not 'normal'. (thelemmy.club)
submitted 2 months ago by [M] to c/flippanarchy@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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Cross-posted from "No, it's not 'normal'." by @DougHolland@lemmy.world in !aiop@lemmy.world

“No, it's not 'normal' for humans to be in competition all the time. It's not normal to work for most of your waking hours during the day. It's not normal to be stressed 24/7. Stop taking a few hundred years of capitalism and pretending that's just how being human is. It's not.” —Hilary Agro, PhD (anthropologist & community organizer)
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[–] 53 points 2 months ago (19 children)

Say it louder please.

There's 8 billion people on this earth and the competition is getting really tiring. It's not even merit based any more and I'm not sure when it last was.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 months ago (17 children)

    Well, there's the issue, human lives have been cheapened way too much.

    Humans need to be so precious, that people beg for babies again.

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  • [–] -5 points 2 months ago (16 children)

    Which means we need to get rid of most of the people in the world but then how do you decide who deserves to go?

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago (12 children)

    Wow.

    Back right up.

    All they said was humanity needed to be precious again.

    We never stopped being human, we did stop viewing each other as human in a lot of circumstances.

    Your instant move to "get rid of everyone" is a bit telling itself.

    There is more than enough to go around even now, stop letting billionaires convince you otherwise.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I knew very well it would be interpreted that way 😈

    Even better that I figured how to mitigate depreciation issues anyway.

    1: End the purely materialist/transactional society.

    2: Ironically, more local and less global communities.

    3: Less unplanned children pooped out.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Humans aren't precious because there's like 8 billion of us. 300 years ago it was probably more like 600-700 million (highest estimates around a billion) and it took more humans to achieve less work.

    Under capitalism, more people means cheaper workforce because more competition between workers. Individual worker is valued less. Under communism you don't put a dollar figure on a human the same way, but they're still more expendable when you can just get another one to do the same job.

    I'm not advocating for mass genocide or eugenics, I'm just saying that's how it is and we better get used to it. Things are precious when they're scarce. We're not scarce.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    No one is forcing you to feel that humans are or are not precious and this argument is very troubling..

    If you cannot see why, please seek help.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I thought we were talking about society, i.e a collection of 8 billion humans, and how it values each of those 8 billion humans, not me personally.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    Ahh, well maybe lead with this isn't what I believe rather than a strong statement lol.

    Anyways yes what you said is a correct assessment of where we are, but not where we have to be.

    All I'm saying is society has devalued and dehumanized itself.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago

    Dude gave arguments for the PoV he presented and all you give back is sentimental approach coupled with accusation xD

    Truth is, humanity always perceived value of other humans by the filter of what can they do. Capitalism, communism, no matter - it still holds it.

    Even in small communities a lazy, drunk neigbour is gonna be seen as barely worth anything coupled to industrious, hard working neighbour. We just are like this. All humans are innately egoistic to some degree and they perceive value of others through what they can gain from them.

    Few folk are empathetic enough to perceive every single person as precious, yet even they crumble in certain scenarios, mostly connected to estimating worth of people who inconvienience them and their family.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (4 children)

    How does having 8 billion people make them precious? You step on ants, yes?

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    I think the point was to choose to see them as unique vessels of beauty and consciousness and not as a pair of hands that can push buttons in the button pushing factory.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    Your getting downvoted but at the core of it too many people want to occupy too little space.

    I personally think UBI should be applied selectively in order to make living in rural and semi rural areas more appealing and encourage people to retire early. Everyone wants to live where everything is and all the cool stuff happens but most of us are working too much and dont have enough money to do any of it.

    The idea of moving to a town of a few hundred people isnt very appealing unless you tell me that you can still get by without NEEDING to work.

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